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Michael Myers
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Posted: 11 September 2008 at 11:06am | IP Logged | 1  

Voting standards should be enforced.  As voting is properly a proactive exercise of a right, I don't see why anyone shouldn't be challenged on the point of residency in their voting district.  If I lost my home, I would acknowledge the necessity of re-registering in my new district as the prerequisite to the exercise of the franchise.  What is the workable alternative to safeguarding the worth of our system?  In this example, if the prospective voters ARE still resident--and their affirmation is ALL that would be needed--then their vote will be recorded in that district.  
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Our founding also chose to leave off the implementation of a personal income tax, Geoff.  The fact is that the sometimes competing platforms of our political parties does serve as a somewhat moderating force regarding the direction of the nation.  In reality, and despite Washington's personal perspective (though not his practice), political parties were as endemic, if not more so, in post-colonial America as they are today. The only real difference is that we rarely see modern politicians studying Donald McBane and engaging in duels with either shortsword or pistol...more's the pity.
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Posted: 11 September 2008 at 11:16am | IP Logged | 3  

Joe, the BBC piece is, properly, concerned with the homeless.  Unless anyone here believes that the two people highlighted are indicative of everyone living in that 'tent city'?  As it is, the figure of sixty thousand homes resulting in actual occupants being forced out is simply unsupportable.  One-in-five repossessions in the second quarter involved housing *starts* that were, by definition, unoccupied (hence the crisis in the homebuilding industry); while another one-in-five involved repossession of standing homes wherein the borrower was NOT the occupant of the property being repossessed. 

As it stands, as of August, the MBA reports that only 2.47 percent of all U.S. homes (in a nation where 67% own their own home) are in some stage of foreclosure, and this includes the rate of simple mortgage delinquency.  It is only in this last quarter that the actual repossession rate matched the 97-99 completed repossession rate in California.  And, the foreclosure rate resulting in actual loss of property in 2005-06 was one of the lowest in California in thirty years.  In fact, as of August, only eight states had rates of foreclosure starts (at ANY point in the foreclosure process, from delinquency to eviction) that were above the national average; while, the remaining states plus the District of Columbia were actually below the national average.

Not to argue that ongoing foreclosures are not a problem, the 2.47% rate is up one hundred percent from August of last year.  Still, the BBC piece seems to infer that there is a tent city dotting every other acre; rather than acknowledging the fact that we are a nation of over 300 million people and that such are, by any reckoning, rare.
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Posted: 11 September 2008 at 11:21am | IP Logged | 4  

All this talk of Homeless Voting while important, seems to miss the point of the article a little bit. 

Foreclosure notices do not always mean that the person no longer lives at that address it is proof of exactly nothing. 

What the Republican party is doing is creating a hostile enviornment clogging the polling stations and doing everything they can to keep voters away from the polls in those districts that may swing to the other side.


If they were really concerned about voter fraud,(and much like Pro-life, who isn't?) these concerned citizens would be creating a much broader program designed to help people and not a targeted hinderance.

Just Tacky and Mean.

These are the same types that wanted to make sure that no convicted felons were on the rolls during the 2000 election in Florida, and managed to have people with the same initials and close spellings pulled out...nice.

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Posted: 11 September 2008 at 11:25am | IP Logged | 5  

Our founding also chose to leave off the implementation of a personal income tax, Geoff.  The fact is that the sometimes competing platforms of our political parties does serve as a somewhat moderating force regarding the direction of the nation.  In reality, and despite Washington's personal perspective (though not his practice), political parties were as endemic, if not more so, in post-colonial America as they are today. The only real difference is that we rarely see modern politicians studying Donald McBane and engaging in duels with either shortsword or pistol...more's the pity.

The term "checks and balances" relates specifically to the type of government the founders created.  Actions by political parties was not what that term was intended to mean.  No one disputed that political movements often moderate each other, but it is not the role of the democrats to check or balance the republicans (or vice versa).  It is the role for each party to pursue its agendas.  The point of checks and balances, from a constitutional standpoint, is that the protections guaranteed by the consitition are to be protected by each equal branch of the government.  Scott's use of the term was incorrect (though not uncommon) hence my post.  I am not quite sure what your point was.

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Posted: 11 September 2008 at 11:25am | IP Logged | 6  

Should only the rich afford a higher education?  Is that really what's best for America? 

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That's hardly the case now, Mike. Plenty of people who aren't rich go to college. Many get grants and scholarships. Virtually all private colleges have financial aid programs for needy students. Others get student loans or get their college education paid for through the military. And some people actually work their way through school. (You know, that old "pulling yourself up by your bootstraps" deal that we conservatives like to drone on about.)

The biggest stumbling block to universal, free college education is one of cost. K-12 education already is the single biggest line item in the government's budget (when you combine state, local and federal spending). Throw in college and the price tag becomes prohibitive.

There already are many different avenues for a poor person who truly wants a college education to get one. These are worthwhile and should be supported, but opening the doors to everyone for free isn't practical. I don't even think Obama is proposing we go that far, is he?

 

 



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Posted: 11 September 2008 at 11:28am | IP Logged | 7  

There already are many different avenues for a poor person who truly wants a college education to get one. These are worthwhile and should be supported, but opening the doors to everyone for free isn't practical. I don't even think Obama is proposing we go that far, is he?

Its news to me if he is.  He may want more funding for federal student loan programs.  Significant (and substantive) difference there!

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Posted: 11 September 2008 at 11:34am | IP Logged | 8  

"I am not quite sure what your point was."

I was disputing what I took to be the implied notion that our Founding Fathers had failed to properly consider the role of political parties in our national identity.  They took it for granted that citizens might rally to one side or the other of any given issue.  Take Scott's own political ideology as example and his desire to mediate a course between the Republican and Democrat platforms; or, our Founding Father's own debate on the notion of federalism, itself, and the political division that debate highlighted. 

Geoff, I didn't realize you were specifically limiting your critique to Scott's usage of a simple phrase which has long passed into common language as a handy means of denoting the moderation of political excess.
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Posted: 11 September 2008 at 11:35am | IP Logged | 9  

If you've ever been to Los Angeles (I lived there for almost 20 years) you can see the homeless all over the place (even in Beverly Hills).  They build small shelters under freeway overpasses and the cops come and clean them out and then they return (sort of like how the police chase prostitutes in LA).  How many?  Who knows?






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The biggest stumbling block to universal, free college education is one of cost. K-12 education already is the single biggest line item in the government's budget (when you combine state, local and federal spending). Throw in college and the price tag becomes prohibitive.

Bruce this is the thing about your party I don't get, we are spending 2 billion a week in Iraq, but yet your party does nothing to stop that, then say we already spend too much on education.

I don't want all the money spent in Iraq to be moved to education, our country can not afford it. If I had to pick though, I would rather be swimming in debt because we have educated our citizens, then made some contractors wealthy beyond belief.

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Posted: 11 September 2008 at 11:39am | IP Logged | 11  

I...I...agree, Michael.  My point, in this regard, would be that California, Florida, and specific cities are naturally disproportionate in their rate of homeless.

BTW, I lived in California for eight years, Michael.


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Bruce, you are correct, he is not.

And, you are correct - I was managed to work my way through college and am now in debt for the rest of my life because of it, but, speaking as a person who was in dire poverty at the time, I did make it through.

Education should not be any sort of walk in the park.  It should be something you have to work at to get through (unless you're just naturally smart like me!) ((that was a joke.))  (((But seriously, I'm way fuckin' smart.))) - but that work should be educational, not financial, would be my gut feeling.

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