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Keith Elder
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Geoff: It is not Affirmative Action to hire or promote a minority over a more
qualified white applicant. Its likely bad business, but its not
Affirmative Action as it has been legally defined. Recognizing that
how do you reconcile the two statements? Where does Affirmative Action
policy require, mandate or imply that a less qualified person can be
hired or promoted over a more qualified person?
What real-world effect would affirmative action have, if not to bias the hiring process in regards to race?
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Mike O'Brien
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Evening the bias that already was in place, Keith.
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Keith Elder
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| Posted: 10 September 2008 at 1:19pm | IP Logged | 3
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On a side note...
www.intrade.com is a futures wagering site. A couple weeks ago they had McCain shares @42.0, Obama @57.
I just made a COOL $40 investing in McCain stock... he's risen to about 50.0 now (even with Obama), but I think it'll probably drop down a few points in the next week.
The trick is not to predict who will win the election, but to predict who other people are currently predicting.
(I also lost $40 predicting hurricane Ike will hit Louisiana...)
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Daniel Presedo
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Oh Al, I did not post anything more or less controversial, irrelevant than you have - so are you troll?
>>Oh, other than adding * vile JBF* to the "you just might be a liberal."<< Ummm yeah like I stated, thought it was funny, forgot it is a one way street here.
Boo hoo and I don't care if you do not believe me Geoff, my opposition to Hawkings AA comment would be <for him> to walk a mile in my shoes.
>>Refute what you want by providing your opposition...<<
Refute my own posts that is just silly and time = money.
The fact that I can look at that list and laugh and you can't is just how different we are. I look at a lot of posts/links here and laugh, it's the healthy thing to do.
Sorry to disappoint you yet again.
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Keith Elder
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Mike: Evening the bias that already was in place, Keith.
So affirmative action means always hiring the best candidate, regardless of race? That's the only way to eliminate bias.
That may be the goal, but it's not how affirmative action is often implemented. My understanding, and I've seen examples of this, is that affirmative action goes beyond simply stating that you may not have a negative bias against a protected minority.
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Knut Robert Knutsen
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"Refute what you want by providing your opposition... You have to do more work than saying - straw man. "
More work? Like what, post a string of half-assed straw man arguments that somebody else wrote, change a words to direct it at "us liberals" in the JBF, step down like some weak-kneed little mama's boy when somebody asks you to defend the positions in it, and then go "Let's you and him fight"?
That kind of work? Why bother? When you stepped down off that statement, you lost your argument.
Edited by Knut Robert Knutsen on 10 September 2008 at 1:29pm
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Geoff Gibson
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What real-world effect would affirmative action have, if not to bias the hiring process in regards to race?
Its not a bias policy it is an access policy. There was never any real threat for more qualified individuals. Race, gender, etc, were not to be determinative factors but simply factors to be considered.
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Mark McKay
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I felt that when Obama made the comment, his audience definitely made the
connection in their minds right away, judging from the response.
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Group mind reading, at a distance, thru time! Kreskin's got nuthin on you!
I know, I was amazed at myself!
Seriously, though, when I saw the clip repeated, ad nauseum, that's what I thought. I didn't say I was right! But the minute he says lipstick, and pauses, you can see the faces in the crowd acknowledge, and then laugh. That's why I thoughts what I thoughts.
The fact that I'm still talking about this is very sad, though...
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Geoff Gibson
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Sorry to disappoint you yet again.
Still not disappointed. Rock on.
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Al Cook
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Daniel Presedo wrote:
Refute my own posts that is just silly and time =
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By direct implication, then (and as Geoff already pointed out), you believe
and stand by everything Hawkins says.
So, it wasn't so much something you posted because you thought it would
be funny. It was more of a policy statement on who Daniel Presedo is.
Excellent to know.
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John Byrne
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It was more of a policy statement on who Daniel Presedo is.
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The Pope?
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Daniel Presedo
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Yes, more work Robert = you lose.
You are such a man when you insult people. Feel better now.
Hardy har har
>>That's just silly<< = Monthy Python, geez you folks are slow.
>>By direct implication, then (and as Geoff already pointed out), you believe and stand by everything Hawkins says.<<
Nope that is why I added hardy har har universal WB cartoon for humor, but not universal to this thread.
Dammit Al, now I have to reply - Yeah Al time = money - eg you know work, pay the mortage and the kids college.
Edited by Daniel Presedo on 10 September 2008 at 1:45pm
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