Michael R:

http://www.answers.com/topic/bureau-of-labor-statistics

http://www.answers.com/topic/unemployment-2

Sampling. Estimation. Statistics. If unemployment is so much worse, could you possibly swag us a better figure? 7.6%? 8.4%? 22.6%? And possibly a state-by-state breakdown? By industry?

Do you believe that when babies are born in such a bad shape that their death is 100 percent guaranteed (with absolutely no statistical margin of error) to occur within days (at most), doctors should be legally required to prolong their pain and suffering (and the emotional pain of their family) for as long as humanly and technologically possible?

It is a game that two can play.

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It's not about prolonging anyone's pain, but about denying them a dignified passing with someone giving a rat's rear enough to so much as hold and comfort them until they die. This is not about shelving healthy babies to die in broom closets. It's wrong and unjust to do that to any baby, regardless of the baby's health and chances of survival.

Valerie this is the thing about religious people that drive me crazy, you seem to feel you have divine knowledge on others lives, you have no idea, how other families handle this, that was one case that was brought to light, how dare you assume you know what is best for another mother and father to handle a heart wrenching decision.

 One of my friends had to make this very decision, her daughter was born with life ending ailment her parents chose to let "God take their daughter when he saw fit", they refused medical care and both parents took turns holding  their baby around the clock for 2 days until it finally drew it's last breath. Under your stance the hospital and government could have come in and stated they knew best and forced a painful prolonged medical intervention.

What a horrible thing to do to a family in a moment of such sadness, would it be right for the government to come in take that child from it's mothers arms and hook it up to life extending machines, racking up huge medical bills. The parents would never let the government take custody of their daughter, so they would be forced assume huge debt and to watch a child they loved more than their own lives, suffer so that the religious right can sleep better at night going to bed feeling that they "saved" a child. It is insulting that you assume that in all cases the parent dispose of  their ill children, like last nights garbage.

I will hope you are never faced with this decision and our government will force their will, over your love for that child.

Edited to add: I am proud that Barack took the unpopular belief that the love of a parent knows better than the heavy arm of government.

I also added more because the more I think about this, the more angry I get.

Jodi, did you listen to the whole video?

That video explicity states she did nothing illegal and everything she did was completely within existing Alaskan state laws.  And she says she never applied any pressure and that any pressure applied was without her knowledge.

Scott I did watch the whole video, the video doesn't state she did nothing wrong, she does. Isn't that like the cat saying he didn't eat the canary. The first time, she said NO pressure was made, now she says "well maybe 12 calls can be looked on as pressure, but I didn't know it was going on".  I am throwing the big ol' Bullshit flag on that one.

Jodi, what's your stance on people who, because of their religion, will not allow their child to have any medical care?  Let's say their 15 year old daughter gets some ailment that is medically easy to cure but without treatment will result in death.  Where are your beliefs there?  Where is the line drawn?

In my state we have a very large Amish population and I don't feel it is within my right, to force my belief on to them. Valerie isn't talking about parents whose children have jaundice. What this bill covers are not medically easy to cure illnesses.

The guy was offered another job which he refused and the firing took place a year and a half after the so called pressure. None much of an issue.

Then why the 12 calls?

"It's not about prolonging anyone's pain"

In some cases it is. That may not be the legislators' intent, but apparently that is an inevitable consequence of following the law as written.

"Believing" that not to be the case does not alter the facts. It only alters your perception of the facts so that you are able to feel secure in your "moral" stance.

And how is it okay for you to throw an untenable straw-man argument (as your proposed scenario is illegal regardless of whether BAIPA is in effect) at me to impeach my morality or humanity, but me alluding to a concern voiced by medical professionals in terms of actual, possible consequences of the law as written is somehow ridiculously far-fetched and not worth discussing?

Michael R:

http://www.answers.com/topic/bureau-of-labor-statistics

http://www.answers.com/topic/unemployment-2

Sampling. Estimation. Statistics. If unemployment is so much worse, could you possibly swag us a better figure? 7.6%? 8.4%? 22.6%? And possibly a state-by-state breakdown? By industry?

January 24, 1930
"Trade recovery now complete President told. Business survey conference reports industry has progressed by own power. No Stimulants Needed! Progress in all lines by the early spring forecast." - New York Herald Tribune.

March 8, 1930
"President Hoover predicted today that the worst effect of the crash upon unemployment will have been passed during the next sixty days." - Washington Dispatch.

May 1, 1930
"While the crash only took place six months ago, I am convinced we have now passed the worst and with continued unity of effort we shall rapidly recover. There is one certainty of the future of a people of the resources, intelligence and character of the people of the United States - that is, prosperity." - President Hoover

June 29, 1930
"The worst is over without a doubt." - James J. Davis, Secretary of Labor.

August 29, 1930
"American labor may now look to the future with confidence." - James J. Davis, Secretary of Labor.

September 12, 1930
"We have hit bottom and are on the upswing." - James J. Davis, Secretary of Labor.

October 16, 1930
"Looking to the future I see in the further acceleration of science continuous jobs for our workers. Science will cure unemployment." - Charles M. Schwab.

October 20, 1930
"President Hoover today designated Robert W. Lamont, Secretary of Commerce, as chairman of the President's special committee on unemployment." - Washington dispatch.

October 21, 1930
"President Hoover has summoned Colonel Arthur Woods to help place 2,500,000 persons back to work this winter." - Washington Dispatch

November 1930
"I see no reason why 1931 should not be an extremely good year." - Alfred P. Sloan, Jr., General Motors Co.

June 9, 1931
"The depression has ended." - Dr. Julius Klein, Assistant Secretary of Commerce