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Knut Robert Knutsen Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 22 September 2006 Posts: 7374
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| Posted: 08 September 2008 at 11:42am | IP Logged | 1
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"Obama lost my support over his record in the Illinois senate, killing BAIPA in committee and such."
Of course. Just like (If I'd been an american voter) he might have lost my vote for supporting such a bill.
Always judge a politician by his record first.
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Jodi Moisan Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 19 February 2008 Location: United States Posts: 6808
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| Posted: 08 September 2008 at 11:43am | IP Logged | 2
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I'm not sure how McCain is over Obama in the numbers? Was I the only one who watched McCain during his RNC speech? I literally felt bad for the guy because his speech was terrible. He's about as dynamic as wet cardboard and he's totally just saying the shit that people want to hear...and saying it in a very dull and stiff way.
Tony my thought exactly, I too felt horrible for McCain, I like McCain, I think it's insulting that they are now saying it's Palin/McCain ticket. I think McCain wanted Lieberman but people like Ann Coulter would have had his head on a stick, she already said she would vote for the devil before she would support McCain.
Palin abused her authority with a disregard for the law and is not ready to be in the position they put her in. I look at her as arm candy, she "pretty ups" the ticket, which as a woman is insulting to me. McCain if he had been given a chance to pick Lieberman and would have went on to win, I think would have been good for our country, in that it would bring both parties a little closer together. The conservative base would have NEVER left and voted for Obama. I honestly am afraid for this country with Palin being VP. I do worry with the stress of the office, the age and health of McCain, we will see a President Palin. If you think Bush was a clueless dumbshit that abused his power, if Palin takes office, we ain't seen nothing yet.
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Michael Retour Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 27 May 2006 Posts: 932
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| Posted: 08 September 2008 at 11:46am | IP Logged | 3
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One has to wonder why the banks lowered lending standards? Were they
just being nice, like Jimmy Stewart in "It's A Wonderful Life", or
what? No one caught onto the fact that lending standards were being
lowered?
The CEO of Washington Mutual sure didn't huh? He got his pink slip today and probably a nice bonus for being a fool that hurt who knows how many people. He just didn't know what was going on. Right.
Paulson tried
to reassure the Chinese but it didn't really work did it? China dumped at least 25% of their holdings in Freddie and Fannie since June or so.
Ah, the
great prosperity of the United States.
We're setting some records folks.
"On Friday, the Mortgage Bankers Association said that more than 4
million American homeowners with a mortgage, a record 9 percent, were
either behind on their payments or in foreclosure at the end of June."
Don't worry, this won't affect your pension or job.
EDIT: There are these things called libraries where there are plenty of books filled with facts on whole nations being gripped by speculative mania. Also, one can read about how banks lent you money for a mortgage in say 1925. I don't know why anyone would expect a government that has lied about reasons for going to war to be honest about the economy? Why? Why would Wall Street's gentlemen tell the truth about it either? Aren't they usually caught saying "all is well" as they liquidate their own assets?
Edited by Michael Retour on 08 September 2008 at 12:47pm
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Scott Richards Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 22 September 2005 Posts: 1258
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| Posted: 08 September 2008 at 11:49am | IP Logged | 4
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I agree with you Jodi on Leiberman. I think Palin was probably his second choice but he was convinced to go with her so as to not alienate the right wingers.
I disagree with you on Palin abusing her authority. We know no such thing. We know there is an accusation, but that is meaningless unless proven true.
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Greg Reeves Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 06 February 2006 Location: United States Posts: 1396
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| Posted: 08 September 2008 at 11:52am | IP Logged | 5
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Too bad we can't vote for the VP on a separate ballot from the President. We might get interesting combinations that way!
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Jodi Moisan Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 19 February 2008 Location: United States Posts: 6808
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| Posted: 08 September 2008 at 12:01pm | IP Logged | 6
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Greg I was thinking the same thing.
Scott this proves otherwise
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kkvq5Rh5VYQ
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Wayde Murray Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 14 October 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 3115
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| Posted: 08 September 2008 at 12:03pm | IP Logged | 7
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Scott, I didn't miss your further statement. You seemed to have missed my comment agreeing with you that America should indeed put its own interests before the interests of other nations as a matter of internal policy, especially at election time.
I was commenting on your "parent/child" analogy, which apparently you STILL don't recognize as insulting. Let me try to explain with an analogy of my own.
Ahem.
Europe is like a father, and the United States is a rebellious teenager who tries to do all the stuff daddy does, but screws it up every time because he's immature. Plus he keeps going further in debt because he insists on blowing the rent money on sports cars trying to impress everybody.
My saying something like that would be the equivalent to your comparing the legitimate press of a sovereign nation to the temper tantrum of a child. Don't read the article because it's too liberal, or because it has an anti-American bias, or because you can't keep up with the homegrown reporting, or just because you don't want to. Fine. All those would be good reasons to not bother reading a Canadian article on your country's election. You didn't say any of that, though. What you DID say was demeaning and stupid.
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Michael Roberts Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 20 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 14890
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| Posted: 08 September 2008 at 12:05pm | IP Logged | 8
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Always judge a politician by his record first.
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Even the voting record doesn't provide enough info. A few years ago there was a California state initiative that expanded law enforcement's ability to gather DNA of criminals. I voted against it, not because I had an issue with a DNA database for criminals, but because it did not provide automatic expulsion of a record for someone who was ultimately exonerated of a crime. To me, that went against the principle of presumption of innocence. If I were running for office, my opponents would try to say that I was "weak on crime."
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Valerie Finnigan Byrne Robotics Member

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| Posted: 08 September 2008 at 12:09pm | IP Logged | 9
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So, Knut, do you think that babies who are born alive should be denied medical care and even left to die in sinks or broom closets just because their mothers don't want them?
The federal version of the bill passed unanimously, with even pro-choicers saying that once the baby's out, whether or not to let the baby live or at least to die with proper care and dignity is no longer a decision a woman makes about her own body.
On a completely unrelated note, I find it interesting that, for a woman who might or might not have abused her power more than any other politician, Sarah Palin enjoys a very high approval rating among Alaskans. Does Illinois think that highly of Obama?
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Jodi Moisan Byrne Robotics Member

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Valerie, I did some looking up on BAIPA, it is my understanding that the infants that are "left to die" are babies,that without extreme medical intervention,would have at best,poor quality of life.I read the case that started the bill and believe that in that case mistakes were made.
I am anti abortion but have to say, it would bother me to have the government to come in and sustain a life of a child of mine that was going to be in years of pain and in medical care for their entire life. This is not about shelving healthy babies waiting for them to die. If you believe in God, isn't letting Gods will, over mans will be the better biblical thing to do? What a horrible medical life sentence to put on these babies and their families. This should be a decision between, the doctor, the family and their God.
Edited by Jodi Moisan on 08 September 2008 at 12:13pm
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Michael Roberts Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 20 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 14890
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| Posted: 08 September 2008 at 12:18pm | IP Logged | 11
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QUOTE:
| So, Knut, do you think that babies who are born alive should be denied
medical care and even left to die in sinks or broom closets just
because their mothers don't want them? |
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And this is an example of what I was talking about in my previous post. Obama's objections to the Illinois BAIPA are on record, and his concern was that the legislation too far. And the example above is intellectually dishonest. If a baby is born and viable, there are plenty of laws in place that will criminalize the behavior above.
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Jodi Moisan Byrne Robotics Member

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| Posted: 08 September 2008 at 12:20pm | IP Logged | 12
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On a completely unrelated note, I find it interesting that, for a woman who might or might not have abused her power more than any other politician, Sarah Palin enjoys a very high approval rating among Alaskans. Does Illinois think that highly of Obama?
Alaska Population : 683,478 out of that, lets say over half approve of her , that would put it at, lets say 400,000 ( feeling generous )
Illinois Population : 12,852,548 if he even just got half the people in Illinios to approve of him, that would be a higher number than Palin by about 6 million people.
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