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Wayde Murray
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| Posted: 08 September 2008 at 7:39am | IP Logged | 1
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John Bodin wrote:
I confess that I haven't even read the article you linked to yet, Al, but the first thought that came to mind is, do we really care what Canada thinks of our political choices? If George W. Bush hasn't already cemented the world's opinion of our political choices and our political process, then is Palin really going to affect how the rest of the world feels?
And in response Scott Richards wrote:
Good point. America's first priority should be what's good for America. What the rest of the world thinks should be secondary. With the support we give so many nations, it's kind of like a parent/child relationship. The parent has to do what's best for the family even if the child throws a tantrum and doesn't like it.
Scott, I can agree with what John was saying, in that international relations have been damaged over the past eight years, and therefore international reporting may not be favorable on any aspect of American politics. I can even agree in part with your response: America's first responsibility should indeed be to America.
But then you kept writing.
The United States is not in a "parent/child" relationship with Canada or the rest of the world. Your country isn't our dad, it's our neighbor. Your house may be bigger, your yard nicer, your job more lucrative, but you still live on the same block with the rest of us. You might not like the clover growing on our lawn, but it's on our side of the fence and we'll grow it if we want to. And we're not moving away, no matter what you like or don't like.
You can't simply toss off a comment that speaks of a "my roof, my rules" attitude and expect your neighbors to appreciate the casual condescension implied. Calling us your northern friends a post later just means that you don't even think you said anything wrong in the first place. Try talking to your next door neighbor with the same tone as you use on your kids and see how they respond. Just don't be surprised if your neighbor starts calling you an asshole.
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Scott Richards
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Wade, you missed the further clarification where I said:
Greg, when I say a strong America, I don't mean going out guns blazing. I mean we should take care of America first. That means we should be concerned about our own borders and what goes on within them. In my mind, we shouldn't have gone into Iraq. Unfortunately we did, so we have to make sure we don't leave them in worse shape than we went in. If the rest of the world is bothered by something we do within our own borders then too bad.
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Dan Avenell
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Call it a partisan character assasination if you like, but I found this to be an insightful, well-written analysis of who John McCain is, how he came to be that way, and why his presidency might be a very dangerous thing.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/7/124723/9760/865/5 90006
"I make them (decisions) as quickly as I can, quicker than the other
fellow, if I can. Often my haste is a mistake, but I live with the
consequences without complaint." John McCain
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Marc Baptiste
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HILL-A-RY! HILL-A-RY!
I am almost 100% regretful at this point... F**K!
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Joe Zhang
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| Posted: 08 September 2008 at 9:52am | IP Logged | 5
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The instant popularity of Palin among Republicans contrasts with how picky they were with this year's candidates:
Romney - Mormon, too Liberal, tried too hard to hide it
Huckabee - Evangelical, but doesn't like Big Business
Guliani - Catholic, too Liberal
Thompson - tried too hard to act like he didn't want the job
Ron Paul - Centrist , i.e. not a chance in Hell
McCain - we'll take him, if only because we can't stand all of the above
It's said that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result. Palin is just like GWB. Halleluha on Sundays and nothing but poison and bullshit the rest of the week. And the Republicans want her. It's like they've been living on another plane of reality the past eight years.
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John Bodin
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| Posted: 08 September 2008 at 10:14am | IP Logged | 6
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Joe Zhang wrote:
| It's said that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result. Palin is just like GWB. Halleluha on Sundays and nothing but poison and bullshit the rest of the week. And the Republicans want her. It's like they've been living on another plane of reality the past eight years. |
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I think the Republicans like Palin simply because she WASN'T one of this year's potential candidates -- given who Obama picked as a running mate, I think there were strong fears among Republicans that Romney or Huckabee might have been the Vice-Presidential choice . . . and the acceptance of Palin comes as a result of the collective sigh because she wasn't Romney or Huckabee.
To keep things in perspective, my wife is a more staunch Republican/conservative than I am, and she is struggling mightily to even like Palin, let alone support her.
And for a little further perspective, Palin is NOT "just like GWB" -- she's not a Yale graduate, never belonged to the Skull and Bones society, was never a pilot in the Air Force Reserve . . . the list goes on and on. The biggest single difference is the obvious one -- she's female and GWB is a male, and with all things being equal, a female (ANY female) will always bring a matriarchal viewpoint to the table that no man could even begin to comprehend or emulate (yes, this even applies to "power" women like Palin or Hillary). THAT alone means that Palin's approach to things would be far different from GWB's approach to things.
From a religious perspective, assuming the same level of zeal, commitment, and Biblical interpretation for any given evangelical fundamentalist woman and and equally evangelical fundamentalist man, and the woman's viewpoint will always differ slightly from the man's because her role in the world gives her a vastly different viewpoint.
The differences go way beyond urinals and tampons.
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Scott Richards
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| Posted: 08 September 2008 at 10:23am | IP Logged | 7
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The differences go way beyond urinals and tampons.
That cracked me up. It could be a bumper sticker.
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Michael Retour
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| Posted: 08 September 2008 at 10:38am | IP Logged | 8
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I didn't "mean" to ask anything.
The government does not count workers who fall off the wagon, so to speak, in their unemployment figures so the unemployment numbers you so blindly believe are fake. No smoke filled rooms. The BLS is about as imaginative as someone selling a derivative = no imagination.
They don't count what they call "discouraged workers" either so there is another category of people who are unemployed but when the BLS reports come out they are not in there.
The BLS doesn't use UI either.
They guess. They do a random sampling of households.
1500 BLS employees survey 60000 households and feeds it into Computo and gets about what LTCM's computer model got them: Garbage in, garbage out.
I won't be eating any words quite yet.
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Scott Richards
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| Posted: 08 September 2008 at 10:50am | IP Logged | 9
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1500 BLS employees survey 60000 households and feeds it into Computo
Was that before or after he killed one of Triplicate Girl's bodies?
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Scott Richards
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Real Clear Politics is once again updated. All the polls are now post-RNC.
(Edited for Updated Data)
Edited by Scott Richards on 08 September 2008 at 11:17am
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Valerie Finnigan
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But here's the thing - I believe that Obama is an intellegent man,
and I believe he understands the pressures on the working class
families. I do not believe that he would rush head-first in with a
policy that would harm the working class.
That's all on faith, however. ---------- And when it comes to human beings, especially politicians, I take nothing on faith. In God I trust. All others have to show their voting records. Obama lost my support over his record in the Illinois senate, killing BAIPA in committee and such.
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Scott Richards
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| Posted: 08 September 2008 at 11:19am | IP Logged | 12
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In God I trust. All others have to show their voting records.
Another good bumper sticker, heh.
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