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Ray Brady Byrne Robotics Member

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Given the fact that she was governor of Alaska, it seems entirely possible to
me that some Canadians know more about her than most Americans.
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Andrew Hess Byrne Robotics Member

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General world consensus in 2004 was that the US was insane to even think about re-electing Bush, but we went thru with it anyway. Tho just barely.
But what I'm really wondering is: when was the last time anyone but so much effort into analyzing the choice of VP? And when did it really make a difference in the election?
Last question first: maybe LBJ in 1960? Kennedy really benefited from that choice.
First question last: I'm drawing a blank.
I'm thinking that this choice is a bit of a smoke screen. McCain will draw in a few of the Christian fundamentalists and some of the female voting fence-sitters, and maybe a few who vowed they would only vote for Hillary as a Democratic choice. But it's still going to get down to voting for the Main Man for each party.
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Al Cook Byrne Robotics Member

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Excellent point, John Bodin. My answer to that has always been that so long
as the United States positions itself as the presumptive "leader of the free
world", you have obligated yourselves to care what the rest of the world
thinks.
But I see your point. It will take years to rebuild the world's opinion of the
U.S., its politicians and its political process.
No time like the present, they say.
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Michael Retour Byrne Robotics Member

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You know, I wonder why the American people reelected Bush the second time when they knew his policies and what they had brought us the first time.
It's almost as if they voted for economic depression and war.
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John Bodin Byrne Robotics Member
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| Posted: 07 September 2008 at 12:09pm | IP Logged | 5
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Andrew Hess wrote:
| McCain will draw in a few of the Christian fundamentalists and some of
the female voting fence-sitters, and maybe a few who vowed they would
only vote for Hillary as a Democratic choice. But it's still going to
get down to voting for the Main Man for each party. |
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In addition to the Christian fundamentalists, female voting fence-sitters, and those who vowed they would only vote for Hillary as a Democratic choice, there's another group that nobody is talking about that is likely to be attracted to McCain with the addition of Palin on the ticket: Those voters who are intrigued with the idea of voting for an "historic" candidate like Obama simply to be able to feel like they had a part in an historic "first" for the country.
Palin now offers that group a choice between electing the first female Vice President or the first black President.
The opportunity to establish an historic "first" with either a Republican or a Democratic vote in November also opens the door for voters to consider race as a potential issue (allowing the dreaded "Bradley effect" to rear its ugly head again).
White voters aside, Palin's presence on the McCain ticket could sway Hispanic voters who were Hillary supporters but who may not necessarily favor Obama as the Democratic choice:
http://lastrow.wordpress.com/2008/01/14/obamas-hispanic-voti ng-block/
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/15/us/politics/15hispanic.htm l
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David Ferguson Byrne Robotics Member

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Given the fact that she was governor of Alaska, it seems entirely possible to me that some Canadians know more about her than most Americans.
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Considering nearly nobody in America knew who she was before last week, that seems entirely possible.
Excellent point, John Bodin. My answer to that has always been that so long as the United States positions itself as the presumptive "leader of the free world", you have obligated yourselves to care what the rest of the world thinks.
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I wish the administration would start caring.
Edited by David Ferguson on 07 September 2008 at 12:11pm
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Scott Richards Byrne Robotics Member

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Brian, thanks for copying Al's unwarramted personal attack. It's content and wording speaks volumes most especially when he knows he's on ignore.
That's hilarlious. If that had really been Scott's intent, he would have just come out and said it.
My very first reply to his link came "right out and said it" with the quotation marks pointing out that there was nothing unbiased about his post.
Al, we don't have any idea if that was "unbiased" and cannot even honestly make an educated guess as to if it was or not.
Shame on Al for thinking every one is so stupid as to not be able to see that.
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Scott Richards Byrne Robotics Member

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I confess that I haven't even read the article you linked to yet, Al, but the first thought that came to mind is, do we really care what Canada thinks of our political choices?
Good point. America's first priority should be what's good for America. What the rest of the world thinks should be secondary. With the support we give so many nations, it's kind of like a parent/child relationship. The parent has to do what's best for the family even if the child throws a tantrum and doesn't like it.
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Scott Richards Byrne Robotics Member

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Given the fact that she was governor of Alaska, it seems entirely possible to me that some Canadians know more about her than most Americans.
I wouldn't agree. According to this article, in Alaska, as of the time this was written last year, her approval rating was 90%, making her the governor with the highest approval rating in the nation. I would say the people in Alaska would be a better guage than any Canadian. As for the other 49 states, I'd say they were probably on equal footing with our northern friends. Saying they know more because they are closer is absurd as saying she's better on foriegn policy because Alaska is closer to Russia.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/00 0/013/851orcjq.asp
Edited by Scott Richards on 07 September 2008 at 12:41pm
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David Ferguson Byrne Robotics Member

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With the support we give so many nations, it's kind of like a parent/child relationship. The parent has to do what's best for the family even if the child throws a tantrum and doesn't like it.
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I don't know what's worse, that post or the possibility that you believe what you posted.
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Scott Richards Byrne Robotics Member

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Why? I fully believe that the strength of America should take priority over world opinion. I can't imagine any American who wouldn't feel the same way.
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David Ferguson Byrne Robotics Member

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Oh I forgot: MIGHT IS RIGHT.
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