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John Bodin
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Marc Guggenheim wrote:
hat having been said, it's Friday and I'm feeling charitable so let me ask
you, if the odds of Obama and McCain surviving their first terms in office
were equal, who do you think is more fit to succeed to the office of the
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I'm torn on that one, Marc -- I could see myself voting for McCain or Obama for President . . . I couldn't see myself voting for Biden, period. Palin -- I dunno. I seriously doubt that she could make it as a viable Presidential candidate at this time in her career . . . but that doesn't mean that I feel that she would necessarily do poorly if she were to inherit the role of President.
At the same time, I don't think Biden would necessarily do a bad job, either . . . but I still wouldn't vote for him if he were one of the choices.
Not sure if that answers the question, but I will give you this -- I think that either McCain, Obama, or Palin would represent a significant change over the current administration -- Biden, not so much.
Would be cool to change one vowel in my name, though, just to be mistaken for a relative to a potential President.
;-)
As for your comment about the Secret Service, I do agree with you about how effective they are now as compared to pre-9/11, but that really just means that if they were unable to prevent a tragedy, the potential public outcry and accusations of conspiracy would probably shake this country to its very foundations.
Remember, we all thought airport security measures were sufficient and effective prior to 9/11, and look how that turned out.
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John Bodin
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| Posted: 06 September 2008 at 10:26am | IP Logged | 2
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Mike O'Brien wrote:
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You make my point for me.
As far as the "Bradley effect" goes, I heard on the radio last week (REAL news, not Limbaugh or any of the other "entertainers") that a recent poll indicated that 5% of the respondents said they wouldn't vote for a black Presidential candidate, but 20% of the respondents indicated that they though their neighbors wouldn't vote for a black Presidential candidate. The report indicated that this is indicative of an undercurrent of the "Bradley effect" in action.
Take any current poll, skew it by 20%, and the numbers start to look significantly different.
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Thomas Woods
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Palin's Pastor is talking the same way every pastor has
ever talked about the end times, it's nothing new.
Wright has a clear racial, and anti-American, bent on
his words. He has a lot of resentment and anger. This is
a guy who feels the government created drugs and AIDS in
order to keep the black people down.
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Joe Zhang
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Palin's Pastor is talking the same way every pastor has
ever talked about the end times, it's nothing new'"
Untrue. I've heard a priest explain Revelations shouldn't be taken literally.
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Thomas Woods
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Untrue. I've heard a priest explain Revelations
shouldn't be taken literally.
I know, what i mean is, the typical pastor
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Michael Roberts
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I realise this is only hearsay without proof. But she seems the type to me.
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Not that this precludes one from being racist, but isn't her husband part Yu'pik Eskimo? That story seems difficult for me to buy.
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Michael Roberts
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http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/08/persistent-myth-of-br adley-effect.html
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Al Cook
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"Wright has a clear racial, and anti-American, bent on
his words. He has a lot of resentment and anger. This is
a guy who feels the government created drugs and AIDS in
order to keep the black people down."
And I don't deny that. But his famous "God-damn America" sermon and
Pailin's pastor's God's-gonna-strike-us-down sermon were the same basic
message - just approached in different ways.
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Al Cook
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A Wasilla resident's unbiased* take on Sarah Pailin:
A Note to All from Anne Killkenny
*At least, it appears to have no political motivation from one party
or the other.
Edited by Al Cook on 06 September 2008 at 11:07am
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Scott Richards
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Al, we don't have any idea if that was "unbiased" and cannot even honestly make an educated guess as to if it was or not. All we know from that link is that the author of the note really did write it. Snopes verified the authenticity of the origin of the note, but not the accuracy of the content.
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Al Cook
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Please note that I never said that the content was accurate - only that it
seemed free of political bias.
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Al Cook
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However, it would seem silly of her to have confirmed that it was hers if she
wasn't sure of the information in it: the things she states within as fact are
all verifiable. I know I wouldn't claim authorship of a note like that if I knew
it was full of lies that people could easily disprove.
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