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John Bodin
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 Christopher Alan Miller wrote:
That's right. There's no reason to believe firing a gun at President Ford was an actual attempt on his life.

I believe Al was making a joke regarding Ford's notorious clumsiness -- I don't think he was referring in any way to either of the actual attempts.

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 John Bodin wrote:
Are you saying that we shouldn't be concerned about
whether or not the country's ready for a black president? That even if the
country is not ready for a black president, he would still be the best
choice regardless of the potential repercussions?


Looking forward to Greg's response, but in the meantime I have to say I'm
appalled that it's even an issue.

There should be absolutely no concern at all about whether or not the
country's ready for a black president. Or a woman president. Or a jewish
president. Or a muslim president. Or a martian president.

I know, I know; the reality of the situation and all that. I'm just sayin'. It's
a shame we haven't made past all that kind of bullshit yet.
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 John Bodin wrote:
I believe Al was making a joke regarding Ford's notorious
clumsiness -- I don't think he was referring in any way to either of the
actual attempts.


Precisely. I hope I didn't offend.
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John - the leader of Pakistan who asked us not to get Bin Laden?  He recently resigned in disgust.

Do you know something I don't about the new administration in Pakistan?

And we wouldn't have to invade with the military - this has been my point for a while - none of this has been the job of the military.  CIA gets in, nabs him, gets out. 

Easy.

We don't need to go to war with Pakistan (OR Iraq for that matter) - we need to get the guy who attacked us.  Because we weren't attacked by a nation - we were attacked by a small group led by a guy.

Easy.

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If we couldn't go into Pakistan full force when it was ruled by a guy who was supposedly a close ally, Musharraf, chances are not good we could do it now. They elect a new president, tomorrow, I think, and it's widely expected to be Bhutto's widower. He's supposed to be friendly to the US, but there was an incursion along the Afghan border by our forces recently, an actual landing of US and Afghani forces inside Pakistan, not just an air strike or artillery attack, troops on the ground, and they didn't like it. They have nukes. It's not as simple as just going into Pakistan to get OBL, wherever he is.
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Well, I think more of the country is ready for a black president than not, now it's just a matter of whether enough of them will vote in order to get him in.  I believe that a President should be representative of the majority of a country's citizens, and Obama is much more like the average citizen than McCain is (relatively speaking).  I don't know too many old white men who aren't sure of how many houses they own, are married to a second (trophy) wife who is herself rich, and are warmongers from a previous generation.  But I do know several intelligent younger men of different ethnicity who came up in debt to get through school!
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Posted: 05 September 2008 at 3:40pm | IP Logged | 7  

Also - I disagree on the assassanation idea.  Sure, we have nut jobs, but they're more concerned with blowing up abortion clinics and gay dance clubs.  Mexicans, Muslims and Homosexuals are above blacks on the nutjob hate list these days.

In other words (brace yourself Dan) you never hear Michael Savage complain about Blacks, but he sure doesn't care for Muslims, Mexicans or Homosexuals.  I think if you were worried about the fringe element of society, you should, as I do, check in on what Savage is saying once a day or so.

Now, that covers the fringe element - but what about political assassanations?  No such thing anymore.  People have learned - you shoot a guy, you create a martyr. 

The new thing?  Character Assassanation.  You shoot a guy - everyone loves him and feels sorry.  You catch a guy with a hooker, it's all over. 

So, in that light - expect more of these "Obama said 'whitey'" assassanation attempts to roll out of Hannity's ass over the next few weeks...

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Posted: 05 September 2008 at 3:42pm | IP Logged | 8  

Well, Dave, if whoever is elected is, in fact, a close ally, why can't they turn him over?  We have nukes too.  So does India.  We could remove Pakistan off the face of the earth if it came to it. 

But it doesn't have to.  They aren't willing to lose everything over one guy that they don't like either.

Our "ally" Musharraf didn't give up OBL because we didn't want OBL.

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David Ferguson:


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Is it not more? I suppose it depends on what an "assisination attempt" is. I would have thought that EVERY president had at least one. Reagan had a few, didn't he?

No, Reagan had the one attempt on his life, and no more. An 'assassination attempt' is just that...someone trying to murder a President...physically, not by someone 'wishing them dead', or by 'character assassination'. Otherwise, every president has had his character assassinated by someone!

There have even been a couple of post-Presidential attempts: A plot to kill George HW Bush(after his Presidency) on a trip to the Middle East a decade ago led to an attempt by the Clinton Administration to kill bin Laden.  Teddy Roosevelt, several years after leaving office, ran for President again as a third-party ('Bull Moose') candidate in 1912, was a target of a gunman, but was spared when the bullets lodged in the folded notes for his speech in his shirt pocket. He went on to give that speech, complete with holes in the paper.



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 Mike wrote:
Our "ally" Musharraf didn't give up OBL because we didn't want OBL.

Source? If you really believe that, I'd love to hear your positions on the moon landings and the alleged conspiracy of US complicity in the 9/11 attacks.

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Posted: 05 September 2008 at 4:01pm | IP Logged | 11  

There were internal issues in Pakistan that would prevent any leader from handing him over. If Musharraf had helped the US, Al-Queda could decide to blow him up.
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 Michael Retour wrote:
Does she hunt?

Haven't you heard? She's a Crazy-Eyed Moose Killah! I have heard she's an life-long NRA member, but I haven't heard accounts of actual hunting, though Fred Thompson jokingly said she's the only candidate that knows how to field dress a moose. 

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