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Mike O'Brien
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Posted: 23 March 2008 at 12:10pm | IP Logged | 1  

 I don't know about you, but if I went to a church and heard a preacher spouting that kind of hate, I'd be looking for another church asap

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If I heard a black man, preacher or not, saying the things that preacher said, I'd think, "Fair enough".

 

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Posted: 23 March 2008 at 12:42pm | IP Logged | 2  

And, personally, you constantly using the "drinking the Kool-Aid" analogy is getting damn old.  It's also highly offensive to me because it brings up bad memories of people committing suicide 30 some years ago.  I don't know how others feel, but that's how I feel.

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Understandable. But the term has nothing to do with Jonestown - if it did, I sure as hell wouldn't use it!; its not a term I invented, and I've heard it used plenty of times before in the past. Most notably people talking about the wrestlers buying Paul Heyman's bs when he was running ECW into the ground, but I've heard it used in other circumstances. It means believing or following something that has no substance to it - since Kool-Aid is just sugared and flavored water - or is total bs. But to be nice I'll now use the term "eating his cotton candy", instead. 

And so help me, if anyone mentions a clown or carnival phobia.....

Even if what Wright said was taken out of context, you can't deny that his connections to Farrakan make him look a bit shaky. And I doubt it its a situation where the church tries to appease him so he'll leave them alone.

 



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Posted: 23 March 2008 at 2:43pm | IP Logged | 3  

How do you figure he's far to the left?

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He met with the leaders of Hezbollah and Hamas. In a TV interview he says Hezbollah is not a terrosrist organization and compares  Hezbollah's tactics to tactics we used fighting Nazi Germany.

http://technorati.com/videos/youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DuZ9GR xGm3Ws

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Posted: 23 March 2008 at 2:50pm | IP Logged | 4  

I can't complain, though! We had a pretty good run as a country for 230
years or so. Sure am going to miss her....

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"He met with the leaders of Hezbollah and Hamas. In a TV interview he says Hezbollah is not a terrosrist organization and compares  Hezbollah's tactics to tactics we used fighting Nazi Germany."

Which does not mean he's far to the left. Issues of taxation, size and role of government, positions on social issues etc ( the left/right issues) are unrelated to the issue of whether the Palestinians have a legitimate right to oppose the continued occupation of their homeland (the 1967 borders).

 



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Christopher Alan Miller
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Posted: 23 March 2008 at 4:23pm | IP Logged | 6  

Which does not mean he's far to the left. Issues of taxation, size and role of government, positions on social issues etc ( the left/right issues) are unrelated to the issue of whether the Palestinians have a legitimate right to oppose the continued occupation of their homeland (the 1967 borders).

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Find one issue where he agrees with Republicans and do you seriously think the Palestinians would cease their attacks if Israel completely withdrew to the 1967 border? Israel was under constant attack from 1948 to 1967 before they occupied the West Bank and Gaza.

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Posted: 23 March 2008 at 5:13pm | IP Logged | 7  

Just out of curiosity, Christopher, when it comes to extremist Muslims ... do you think that they are considered by other Muslims to be conservative or liberal?  Just wondering.
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Posted: 23 March 2008 at 5:31pm | IP Logged | 8  

I assume by extremist muslims you mean mean someone like Osama Bin Laden? He would be an exteme conservative. Extremism from either side is unacceptable.
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Posted: 23 March 2008 at 6:13pm | IP Logged | 9  

I agree with that.  An extreme liberal is an anarchist.  An extreme conservative is a fascist. 

It's hard for an anarchist to collect power ... true anarchists don't believe in power.  On the other hand, a successful fascist looks and sounds an awful lot like Hitler or Stalin, and Bin Laden is a fascism fighter, not a freedom fighter.

I think smart-thinking people tend to fall somewhere in the middle, and they tend to be willing to give a little ground to make an accord.  But I don't think that that describes the current state of government. 
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Posted: 23 March 2008 at 6:38pm | IP Logged | 10  

I'm pretty sure the term "drink the Kool Aid" is a direct reference to the Jonestown massacre.  In the contexts I've seen it, it generally means more than just "believing something of no substance."  Typically, it carries a connotation of believing something in an unquestioning, uncritical, even brainwashed or cultlike way.  More often than not, it's used in a context of believing in a person or following a person in an unquestioning way.  This article concurs, noting the first usage of the term they could find was in 1984.

Okay, back to the regularly scheduled thread...
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Posted: 23 March 2008 at 6:48pm | IP Logged | 11  

That's an interesting point, Jason.  I bet there are a lot of people out there who use the phrase without awareness of the origin.
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Posted: 23 March 2008 at 7:56pm | IP Logged | 12  

This article concurs, noting the first usage of the term they could find was in
1984.

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It shows up in 1968 in Tom Wolfe's book "The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test",
which predates the Jonestown Massacre. Passing the Acid Test meant
drinking the Kool-Aid, which was laced LSD.
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