Yes, but it would be a division that would be needed.  If voters are really going to stop supporing Obama over this, then these people don't deserve to pick the winner.  This is a pathetic racially motivated non-issue, and it's getting way more action that it deserves, primarily because it's racially motivated. 

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SER: Well, it's clear that it's a deal-breaker for some white voters. However, the reason this disturbs me is not just about Obama winning the election. It's about the wounds to the Democratic party. It would basically tell African-Americans that Obama got *this close to the finish line* but lost it all because the curtain was pulled back on his race. In other words, he basically went from Will Smith to Spike Lee. The "comfort level" that white voters have for blacks has its limits.

Bill Clinton gave the medal of honor to a former segregationist who he called his "mentor":

ack on May 5, 1993, in what the Washington Post characterized as a ". . . moving 88th birthday ceremony for former senator William Fulbright, President Clinton last night bestowed the Presidential Medal of Freedom on the man he described as a visionary humanitarian, a steadfast supporter of the values of education, and 'my mentor.'" Clinton added, "It doesn't take long to live a life. He made the best of his, and helped us to have a better chance to make the best of ours. . . . The American political system produced this remarkable man, and my state did, and I'm real proud of it."

Anyone notice the funny trend here - Republicans and Clinton supports teaming up?  Doesn't that lend credence to my point that Hillary is more Republican than anything?

Vote for America!  Vote Obama!

Exactly.  If the delegates in Michigan and Florida aren't seated at the convention, the Democrats might as well stick a bow on those two states and hand them to the Republicans.  Here's a slogan the Republicans can use:

"Oh, now the Democrats want your votes ..."

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I don't see FL going towards the Republicans in the general election if Obama is the nominee.  MI is a crapshoot.

People in those 2 states can complain all they want about their votes not being counted, etc., etc., but they KNEW going into those primaries that those votes would not count.  They weren't told after the fact, but weeks beforehand.  I feel sorry for those who voted, but the blame should be placed squarely on their state's legislature for allowing it to happen.

SER:What if blacks begin to think that there's no real difference ultimately between white Democrats and white Republicans -- at least so far as understanding goes?

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Not just blacks.  But we'll see... I still say this is just a momentary blip - I still say it could blow away... we'll see...

People in those 2 states can complain all they want about their votes not being counted, etc., etc., but they KNEW going into those primaries that those votes would not count.  They weren't told after the fact, but weeks beforehand.  I feel sorry for those who voted, but the blame should be placed squarely on their state's legislature for allowing it to happen.

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SER: Yes, I don't see how anything was done unfairly. They moved the primaries up against the rules and were penalized. If the DNC can't penalize states for moving up their primaries, then how do you control the primary system at all? What annoys me now is that Florida and Michigan is still getting special treatment -- as any "do-over," which granted might not happen, would come at a critical time in the campaigns, when they *should* have occurred during Super Tuesday.

You make a very good point about the voters knowing well in advance that their votes wouldn't count. In fact, if I were a clever lawyer, I'd state that even though Obama, Clinton, and Edwards couldn't legally campaign in the states they did basically campaign about the non-campaign. In other words, they made it clear to their supporters that the primaries were a sham.

No one would be trying to seat those delegates if this were a typical race -- e.g. 2000 and 2004 when the race was decided fairly early on. Clinton's hypocrisy on this is galling. Many argue that she showed up for her fake Florida election night "victory" in order to off-set the trouncing she'd received in South Carolina over the weekend. Had she won, would she have gone to Florida? Would she have talked about seating delegates? Of course not. And if the roles were reversed, there's no way she would make the argument. I know politicsc are politics but still, let's try not to be so transparent about it.

In Florida, the Democrats there wanted to hold their primary on a date in February that would have been fine and legal and wouldn't have gotten them in trouble with the DNC. It was the Republican controlled legislature that set their primary back earlier.

Personally, I think that the Florida primary should count if they can't do a re-vote since it wasn't the Democrats who are responsible for their primary being held too early. Its just another case of vote fixing by the Florida Republicans.

And Hillary may be a hypocrite, but I fail to understand how Obama or people around him (his wife, "Pastor" Wright, etc) keep sticking their feet in their mouths yet he comes out smelling like a rose every time when some of the explanations or excuses are fairly weak and these incidents should add up.

Keep on drinking Obama's Kool-Aid, folks.

A conservative case for Barack Obama.

http://www.amconmag.com/2008/2008_03_24/article.html

I thought the scandal was much ado about nothing, and I thought his speach, like everything else in his campaign, was excellent. 

JERRY FALWELL: And, I know that I'll hear from them for this. But, throwing God out successfully with the help of the federal court system, throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools. The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way -- all of them who have tried to secularize America -- I point the finger in their face and say "you helped this happen."

PAT ROBERTSON: Well, I totally concur, and the problem is we have adopted that agenda at the highest levels of our government. And so we're responsible as a free society for what the top people do. And, the top people, of course, is the court system..

The best part?  If you listen to/read Obama's speach, it's not a "I'm sorry" speach - it's a call to put this sort of stuff to bed - Hell Yes black people have a different take on things than whites, and hell yes a lot of them are, rightiously, upset.  But we should be working to deal with these things, not using them to rile up voters.

We're teetering on the edge here - America can stand up and do the right thing, or ... it won't.  We'll see.