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Aric Shapiro
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Posted: 05 March 2008 at 12:24pm | IP Logged | 1  

"As demonstrated in Texas, Ohio and Rhode Island, there are still a lot of people in this country who favor Clinton"

Possibly, but it is also possible that in open primary states, many republicans are voting for Hillary because they think Mcain stands a better chance of beating her.

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Possibly, but it is also possible that in open primary states, many republicans are voting for Hillary because they think Mcain stands a better chance of beating her.

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Every report I've read on that subject indicates the opposite: Republicans were voting for Obama because of their ingrained dislike of Clinton.  So if anything, Obama's support in those states is inflated because how many of those Republicans will continue to support him when he's facing off against a fellow, and fairly moderate, Republican rather than another Democrat?



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Wayne,

Colin Powell is unlikely to run against Obama.  There are press reports that he is advising Obama on foreign policy matters.

My vote goes to Hillary.  I think she could still win this one.  I'd pick Obama as VP.
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Obama is ahead enough delegate-wise that it's mathematically impossible for Clinton to win it at this point. However, the primaries are relaly controlled by the superdelegates--so who they nominate is really who gets it.

Turnout for the primaries on the Democrat side has been off the charts, while Republicans are showing a great deal of apathy this time around. I'm expecting a fairly convincing win by Obama in 2008.

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Drudge ran a story suggesting Obama had the super delegates in his pocket.  Florida's delegates may become crucial as well depending on how things pan out.

A few conservative radio personalities were asking listeners to vote for Hillary in the open state primaries, as they believe she is more beatable than Obama

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I can understand the appeal of Barrack Obama, eventhough I disagree politically with many of his positions.  He speaks of hope and change -- two things that can't be quantified but enage voters.  He is very charismatic. 

On the other side of the coin is Hillary Clinton.  She has argued that Obama doesn't have the right experience and is all flash and mirrors and put herself out as the democrat of substance.  And accepting that on its face I really cannot understand the appeal of Hillary Clinton.  I get that she's smart.  But what is her great experience compared to Obama (or McCain for that matter)?  She's been in the Senate for 7 years.  Prior to that she was First Lady.  Does being First Lady give one better experience than serving in a state legislature as Obama did?  As a US Senator she voted for the war.  She has been very pro-nafta (and will continue to be when not campaigning in Ohio).  Prior to being in the Senate or First Lady she was an attorney, not unlike Senator Obama.  In that capacity she sat on the board of Wal-Mart, hardly a pro-union shop.  Unless I am mistaken before 2001 she had never held elective office.  How does she have "so much more" or better experience than Obama.  What is it about her that people want to see her in the White House? 



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Clinton has a lot more haters out there and she motivates the
Republicans to get out and vote.

McCain is thought of as a traitor by many Republicans but they'll take him
over Clinton.

Obama is thought of as too inexperienced.

Any of the above will be historic firsts. Clinton would be the first woman
president, Obama the first black president and McCain the oldest person
elected to a first term (Reagan was older than McCain when serving his
second term but not when elected to his first).

Keeping an eye on the prize-- the next president could very well tip
things in a big way when it comes to the Supreme Court. It already leans
right and that's why they called the 2000 election in Bush's favor (a vote
count, as later reported, showed that Bush actually lost Florida in addition
the popular vote). A Clinton, Obama or McCain victory could lead to some
radical changes in the rules as we've known them.

You would be well-advised to think before you vote.

I don't think it's a good idea to vote for any candidate simply because you
"don't like the other guy" or because you "want to make history." There
are really important issues at stake here. Things that could affect all of us
for decades to come. Do some research. Know your candidates. Know
where they stand on the issues that affect you and make the best choice
you can.
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How does she have "so much more" or better experience than Obama.

The experience proceeds from the presumption that, during her time as First Lady, she became familiar with the workings of the White House and some of the individuals on the world stage, leading to, if you will, a shorter "learning curve."

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Very well said Mr. Larson.

I appreciate that you used a non-partison stance to get across a very important message.

I have been telling my disenfranchised friends...both Democrat and Republican that it is imperative that let our voices be heard.  I wont listen to the complaints of a person who has not voted.

My daughter turns 18 on 11/5/08 and she is about as engaged as I've ever seen her in anything...she wants to know how it all fits together.

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Supreme Court nominees are always a facto, especially when there are justices who are getting up there, but as important as the Court is, in a post 911 world, I am most concerned with National Security?  My vote will be determined by who has the most experiecne in that area and who can do the most to keep my family safe

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"The experience proceeds from the presumption that, during her time as First Lady, she became familiar with the workings of the White House and some of the individuals on the world stage, leading to, if you will, a shorter "learning curve." "

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Presumably, but shouldn't be taken as fact. First Lady is not an elected position, so it should not be counted as far as experience goes. Her push for health care during that time is what started the level of resentment against her in the first place.
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Other than getting face time with world leaders(or their wives) and collecting a ton of frequent flier miles, I don't see how first lady experiecne counts for much....
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