It appears we've got two decent, honorable men in the race.

Maybe...but then, they ARE politicians after all.

It reminds me of the way McCain stood up for John Kerry during that whole "swift boat" character assassination in 2004.

It appears we've got two decent, honorable men in the race. There's something to be said for that, regardless of who wins.

Good post I too was impressed with McCain for doing that, in fact at one point I thought a McCain/ Biden or Biden/McCain ticket wouldn't be too bad

Mr. Clark said, “Well, I don’t think riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to be president.” This may be true, but to many people, Mr. Clark may seem to be diminishing Mr. McCain's service. Let's face it. Most of us will never know the kind of sacrifice this man made for his country. To do anything but honor it is, again, just politically stupid. 

I agree but when I was watching it I honestly never took it as a slam, but I know what you are saying.

I agree but when I was watching it I honestly never took it as a slam, but I know what you are saying.

I didn't see it but I heard Bob Schieffer on Imus this morning and Schieffer said he was surprised when Clark said that, doubly so when he watched a tape of the interview.  The point Clark made about McCain as a pilot maybe fair -- but that was not where McCain showed leadership.  It was McCain refusing to go the easy route of release, as a son of an admiral, which showed his leadership qualities.   

Now it makes sense why they are smearing Wesley Clarks words, the swift boats are at it again.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/30/mccain-uses-swift-b oat-ve_n_110003.html

"The irony of it all is that McCain publicly deplored the Swift Boat ads back in 2004, saying they were reminiscent of the smear campaigns launched against him during his initial White House run in 2000.

"It was the same kind of deal that was pulled on me," said the Senator.

Not willing to let the irony go unnoticed, Kerry lashed out at McCain, on Monday, for using the same smear merchant he once decried."

I can understand Kerry's reaction and I'd just as soon see McCain not associate with any "Swift Boaters" but are the facts here at all similar to what was done to Kerry? In this instance the Swift Boaters were defending McCain's record and service.  They are attacking General Clark but not Senator Obama, right? Having read a transcript of Face the Nation, if Clark's point was that military service does not make one better suited for Commander in Chief thats one thing.  But the manner in which he responed to Schieffer's question that Obama has no executive experience was uncalled for. He entirely dismissed the leadership McCain showed as a POW -- specifcially by making a decision that was personally hard because it was the right thing to do.  If thats not a good test for a President, what is?

Just curious -- anyone think the Huffington Post will also decry Moveon.org for "swift boat" tactics?

*Edited to add a link to the trancript.

The Huffington Post is to the left what Ann Coulter and Sean Hannity are to the right -- blowhards who promote a "My side is completely right; the other side is morally bankrupt" agenda. I wouldn't consider any of them a credible source on much of anything.

The Huffington Post is to the left what Ann Coulter and Sean Hannity are to the right -- blowhards who promote a "My side is completely right; the other side is morally bankrupt" agenda. I wouldn't consider any of them a credible source on much of anything.

Preach on Brother Bruce!  Can I throw Keith Olbermann in there too?  The stories about him around the time of Tim Russert's memorial service are terrible.  He was, by some accounts, petitioning for the Meet the Press job on the train to and from DC!  Based on what I've seen of the guy I wouldn't doubt it. 

OK lets throw Fox News, Karl Rove and Rush Limbaugh into the pile.

The thing is, these guys are not trying to sway a solid party person to come to the other side, Rush Limbaugh's intent wasn't to convert dems, it has been his job to inflame the loyals. Sell a war based on lies and he did a damn fine job. Moveon .org is in answer to Rush Limbaugh.