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Michael Myers
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Posted: 22 June 2008 at 1:54pm | IP Logged | 1  

Out of curiosity, Greg, what is it that Senator Obama is doing any differently than "change" candidates of the past?
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Posted: 22 June 2008 at 4:05pm | IP Logged | 2  

Well, not so much what he's doing, but what he is.  Younger, African-American, and with a brief enough political career that he is less likely to follow the same agenda that so many modern presidents do.  Obviously this is before any issues are considered, but that alone is a start for me.
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Posted: 23 June 2008 at 5:14am | IP Logged | 3  

Isn't the age thing enough?

Personally, I'd vote for the guy who I think will last the four years. Makes it kind of important who he picks as a VP candidate don't you think? I know people live to their 90s and even hundreds nowadays but you have the say the stress of that job would severely age someone with half as many miles on the clock.
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Posted: 23 June 2008 at 5:22am | IP Logged | 4  

 but you have the say the stress of that job would severely age someone with half as many miles on the clock.

Look at before and after pics of all of our recent presidents.  The job and its inherent stress ages all of them unnaturally.  (Like they've had a run-in with Sathanas.) 

McCain would end up looking like a mummy.

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Posted: 23 June 2008 at 5:35am | IP Logged | 5  

when it was Bill Clinton who was fingered

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Ewww

 

Sorry

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Posted: 23 June 2008 at 7:16am | IP Logged | 6  

As young as Obama is, he is older than Bill Clinton was when elected in 1992.  Youth does not mean one is not politically jaded or beyond "politics as usual." 

Reflecting on Obama's rejection of the Public Financing has left me somewhat troubled and taken some of the bloom off of Obama's rose.  Its not the decision to reject it that bothers me -- its the promise he made at one of the debates that if he chose to do so he would meet with Senator McCain and come to some form of an accord.  He didn't do this.  That makes me nervous that he WON'T be listening to the other side and that his White House will be very partisan.  That gives me pause.  Thats not a "culture change" thats a party change.

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Posted: 23 June 2008 at 7:29am | IP Logged | 7  

Pure speculation here, but it's impossible to know what behind-the-scenes discussions Obama and McCain (and their people) had before Obama made this announcement. Perhaps private efforts at an accord were attempted but no common ground was found.
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Pure speculation here, but it's impossible to know what behind-the-scenes discussions Obama and McCain (and their people) had before Obama made this announcement. Perhaps private efforts at an accord were attempted but no common ground was found.

Could be, Michael.  As I said, it gives me pause -- I'm not assuming bad intent.  Lets see how these things play out.  I do think, however, how someone campaigns (and the choices they make during a campaign) can often inform on how they will govern.

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Posted: 23 June 2008 at 12:56pm | IP Logged | 9  

I'm sorry if I missed it, Scott, but have you listed why you feel that way?  You don't have to, of course, but I'm just curious why.  I feel just the opposite, because I think the relative "lack of experience" that people claim of Obama is precisely why positive change is possible: he's not wanting to do things the way they've always been done (something that a lot of experience might influence).

Greg, I've posted some reasons previously but let me list some of them here.

I'm sure some of these reasons for me thinking Obama would be bad for this country are reasons others think he would be good for the country. It's all a matter of perspective. :)

1. Obama is too green. Some see that as good. Some see that as bad. I fall in the latter category. His inexperience will make it hard to get things done since he won't know how to "play ball". Unfortunately, for good or for bad, there is a lot of give and take in getting things done in Washington. He can have the best of intentions but if he doesn't do things the "right" way he'll be blocked at every pass. Almost everything he says he wants to do can not be done with an executive order, but will require Congress to buy in and go along with it. Not going to happen, even with a Democratic majority on most of his reform ideas.

2. Oil Drilling. This shows how short sighted Obama is, IMO. His comments that opening up drilling won't lead to immediate relief shows that he doesn't understand how it works and is short sighted. Back in the oil crisis of the 70's what really ended it was the threat of us drilling our own oil and creating additional refineries. Oil prices dropped like a rock back down to $10 a barrel. After that, we backed off and didn't follow through with the drilling and refineries. Had we not backed off we wouldn't be in the state we are in today. Even, if somehow, he were right about no immediate relief, the short sighted view of ignoring the future is enough to turn me against him. We need to work on getting fossil fuels now in addition to finding alternative energy sources. Neither should be ignored.

3. I completely disagree with his stance on illegal aliens. It practically rewards illegals from entering the country illegally. Any plan that includes amnesty without penalty is not one I agree with. The only way I would believe in amnesty is if it included harsh penalties including full back taxes, the illegal being responsible for the costs of their own legal representation and application and having to report at least monthly to the equivalent of a parole officer (since they did break the law) until they gain legal status.

4. He has an extreme lack of judgment on who he surrounds himself with and has advise him and only breaks those allegiances when backed it's politically judicious to do so. That makes me question anyone he would appoint in his cabinet or for judicial positions.

5. I believe we need some health care reform but don't agree with his universal health care plan. His Blueprint for Change lists vague categories of what he wants but doesn't explain at all how he plans to accomplish it.

6. His speeches are full of hope and vague grand ideas. He's an eloquent speaker and people eat it up. Unfortunately he doesn't back up those ideas with details. He doesn't detail how he'll accomplish the things he wants or how he'll pay for them. He throws out buzz words/topics like "tax the rich" because people eat that up. His Blueprint for Change is full of "Obama will" this and "Obama will" that but it never once says "how" Obama will do it.

7. His stance on the Middle East is misguided at best and suicidal at worst. Even though we should have never invaded Iraq in the first place, now that we are in there we must remain and get the job done until they have a solid, stable government, infrastructure and defense system in place. He also thinks terrorists and terrorist states can be negotiated with.

8. His voting record is extremely liberal. I'm a Democrat but not a liberal Democrat. His voting record is too far left for me.

9. I am against raising the minimum wage because a minimum wage should be market driven. If an employer can't find someone at a set wage they are forced to raise what they pay to fill the position. This has been shown in high cost areas (like big cities) where jobs, typically filled by teenagers, are paying $9.00 or more per hour since they can't get anyone to take the jobs for less. This ties in to illegal aliens. Part of what keeps wages lower is illegals who work for less than the mandated minimum wage. If those illegals weren't working those jobs it would drive the market rate for wage up. It would raise costs, but that would in turn raise wages.

10. He believes that taxing businesses will give relief to poor and middle class families. It sounds good in theory until you put two and two together and realize every penny of tax a business pays comes out of the pockets of consumers. Increased taxes means increased prices on goods and services to pay those taxes. Businesses don't pay taxes. Consumers pay the taxes for the businesses. Businesses don't have money trees. They reach into our wallets for all their expenses, including tax.

11. His idea of forcing businesses to set up pension funds for all employees is another reason I am against him. That is another cost to business that will be paid out of the pockets of consumers. I shouldn't be penalized for someone else's lack of planning for retirement. Anyone can put money in an IRA or 401k plan regardless of whether or not their workplace has a pension plan.

12. His plan on free tuition at community colleges and extremely reduced (by 2/3) tuition at other colleges, all paid for with tax dollars is staggeringly expensive. I worked two jobs and took 8 years to get my bachelors degree with no help from anyone. If someone truly wants to go to college, they can. There are scholarships and student loans available as well. Education beyond high school is a privilege, not a right and can be had by anyone who wants it bad enough.

13. Obama believes that ethanol is a valid alternative fuel. Ethanol gives fewer miles per gallon. Ethanol also takes more energy to produce than it provides. In addition, it is driving food prices higher and higher as the raw food stuff is taken off the market for use as fuel instead of food. Ethanol is a dead end and rather than concentrating funds and resources there, those funds and resources should be allocated to other alternative energy sources that are in development or show promise.

14. He wants to expand the Earned Income Credit. This results in some people paying zero taxes or actually getting a refund of more taxes than they paid. IMO, everyone should have to pay some taxes regardless of income, even if it's only 1%. There should never be a scenario where your net federal income tax is zero or negative.

15. He is discriminatory in his ideas to combat discrimination. In his plans for civil rights in his Blueprint for Change, he talks about ending discrimination in many areas such as employment, profiling, etc. in regard to racial minorities and women but never mentions, even once, discrimination on sexual orientation.

16. Versace just dedicated her entire new line of designer clothing to him in Italy and it doesn't get any more elitist than that. Even though this one is true it's not really a reason I don't think he would be a good President. I heard that on the radio today on the way to work and it gave me a nice chuckle so figured I'd end this with a laugh.

I could have listed other things in his Blueprint for Change that I disagree with or find too vague to be useful but I have to get back to work!

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Posted: 23 June 2008 at 1:28pm | IP Logged | 10  

Scott- thanks for taking the time to do that!  Hope it didn't make you late for work :-)
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Does anyone know Mike O'Brien in real life?  Is everything okay with him?  He normally posts several times a page in this thread but it's been 10 pages and a week since he last posted.  I hope nothing's wrong.
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Scott- thanks for taking the time to do that!  Hope it didn't make you late for work :-)

Nope.  Already at work.  Just took a good long break, heh.

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