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Scott Richards Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 20 June 2008 at 10:13am | IP Logged | 1
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If McCain wins in November, this forum is going to implode. Heh.
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Geoff Gibson Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 20 June 2008 at 10:22am | IP Logged | 2
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And apparently non-issues are the only weapon available, just like the criticism for Obama not wearing a flag pin (as though this is the only way to designate patriotism). If targeting non-issues are the only way his adversaries can attack him, then Obama's got a pretty easy road ahead of him.
Non-issues drive the news cycle, as do knee-jerk reactions to nuanced statements. There are plenty of substantive differences between the candidates which merit debate. Obama has not hidden that he wants to increase government services and pay down the national debt -- how he does that without major tax increases is question for debate. The issue of home loans (and student loans) crisis is also open to debate. How we address the cost of filling up your car will be debated. Its still very early.
Back to the Federal Financining of campaigns -- its important to remember that the Federal Dollars for the election are not doled out until AFTER the conventions. Both Candidates can spend any money they like before accepting their parties nominations.
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Al Cook Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 20 June 2008 at 10:27am | IP Logged | 3
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If McCain wins in November, much more than this forum will implode...
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Jodi Moisan Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 20 June 2008 at 11:22am | IP Logged | 4
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For all of those that attacked Michelle Obama's "Proud American" , I found this interesting. Watch the video, pretty interesting stuff. Really makes me very sad, to hear that Lars Larson, Laura Bush comes off a classy lady.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/19/watch-mccain-didnt- love-a_n_108191.html
Edited by Jodi Moisan on 20 June 2008 at 11:38am
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Scott Richards Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 20 June 2008 at 11:35am | IP Logged | 5
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That reminds me of something I wanted to bring up before but had forgotten about. Back when Clinton was still in the running, every time the media would give Michelle negative press there would be screams of "Leave the spouses out of it!" saying it was unfair, even from Obama himself. Yet, when it was Bill Clinton who was fingered there was just silence and no calls for the press to leave him alone. Why was one spouse fair game while the other was not in the eyes of Obama and his supporters?
It's really a moot point now since Hillary isn't in the running, but it seems a strange double standard.
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Geoff Gibson Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 20 June 2008 at 11:40am | IP Logged | 6
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Yet, when it was Bill Clinton who was fingered there was just silence and no calls for the press to leave him alone. Why was one spouse fair game while the other was not in the eyes of Obama and his supporters?
It was fair game because he's not Bill Clinton Arkansas lawyer spouse of a candidate, he's a former President of the United States who is a spouse of a candidate. He is a political figure in his own right. Hillary used her marriage to him as a basis for her "superior" qualifications or greater experience. Obama did not use his marriage to Michele to make the case that he is ready to be commander in chief.
Edited by Geoff Gibson on 20 June 2008 at 11:40am
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Al Cook Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 20 June 2008 at 11:41am | IP Logged | 7
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That Bill was a particularly popular and controversial two-term
President weren't enough extenuating circumstances to call for a different
standard on him than on Cindy, Michelle and the rest?
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Al Cook Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 20 June 2008 at 11:42am | IP Logged | 8
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And once again I'm beaten to the punch by the far more insightful and eloquent Geoff Gibson.
I give up.
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Jodi Moisan Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 20 June 2008 at 11:46am | IP Logged | 9
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Here is what I do not understand. Mccain has been in politics for most of his life, why aren't the republicans trying to use the high road defense. Why attack an unknown on none issues, there is not a whole lot of dirt to find. But just by being in politics so long, there will be tons that can be used against McCain. If I had been the republican chairman I would have said, we will not attack, we will only talk about important isuues. I would have muzzled the attack dogs like Lars Larson. They don't help the party.
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Tom French Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 20 June 2008 at 11:47am | IP Logged | 10
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Moveon.org doesn't "help" the dems, either -- yet there they are. Almost as if the party has no control over them...
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Jodi Moisan Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 20 June 2008 at 11:51am | IP Logged | 11
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You are right Tom, but we democrats have been shooting ourselves in the foot for years, I just thought the republicans were smarter. :0)
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Scott Richards Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 20 June 2008 at 11:53am | IP Logged | 12
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Why attack an unknown on non issues, there is not a whole lot of dirt to find.
As far as you know there isn't a whole lot of dirt to find. Only Obama truly knows if there is dirt to find. Thinking there isn't dirt to find doesn't mean there isn't any. I doubt if there really is any major hiding in his closet but there could be.
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