5% pretty much puts the lie to that "majority" Scott seems to think is the reason why they're there.

Oh please Matt.  It's only a lie if someone intentionally misleads.  Making an assumption based on logic and common sense, when it turns out there is a chance it could be incorrect, doesn't make it a lie.  It seems liberals love to use the word lie very freely and outside of it's definition.  Except of course when Obama does it.  Then it's not a lie.

Hmmm.  I missed where I did that.  All I see was me expressing my opinion about what he said.

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Let me help you.  Its right here: "That was just him trying to do to me what he kept accusing me of doing to him."

Let me help you.  That was my opinion.

Don't let some innocents very lives get in the way of your precious "national security", Scott.  After all, you're the most important thing in the universe in your world.  What's a few lives in exchange for your safety.

The world moves on.  I used to be a lot more liberal.  When it's your loved ones who die in the next attack maybe you'll get angry and come to your senses.  In the mean time feel free to attack me if it makes you feel better.  God knows I've gone through a lot worse than anonymous jabs on a message board.

On September 11, 2001, I was sitting in my office watching the towers smolder (I didn't see the planes hit).  I saw them collapse from my desk.  I had friends who were lost that day.  I was scheduled to take a deposition on the 101st floor of the south tower on September 20th.  I firmly believe that among the reasons we were attacked is because the terrorists hate our freedoms.  I want national security. I want to never again witness what I witnessed.  But I do not want to forsake the freedoms for which we were attacked because of the fear we may be attacked again.

Just my two cents.  I offer it as my feeling only and I don't judge anyone for having different feelings, but I felt I needed to say it.

Scott Richards wrote: Oh please Matt.  It's only a lie if someone intentionally misleads.  Making an assumption based on logic and common sense, when it turns out there is a chance it could be incorrect, doesn't make it a lie.

Oh please Scott right back at ya.  You have absolutely no knowledge of the "majority" of Gitmo detainees.  You have no basis upon which to make any claim about why the "majority" are being detained.  Common sense and logic do not dictate that they are there because they have attacked America.  Common sense and logic would dictate more proof of guilt than assumption will ever provide.  It's absolutely and positively absurd on its face and, indeed, one of the most asinine assumptions made in this thread about any subject simply because you have zero knowledge upon which to base that assumption.  Common sense and logic.  Please.

When it's your loved ones who die in the next attack maybe you'll get angry and come to your senses.

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From what I've seen the last seven years, "getting angry" far precedes "com[ing] to [one's] senses", and is immediately followed by losing one's damn mind.

The last bit is where we are currently mired.

Oh please Scott right back at ya.  You have absolutely no knowledge of the "majority" of Gitmo detainees.  You have no basis upon which to make any claim about why the "majority" are being detained.  Common sense and logic do not dictate that they are there because they have attacked America.  Common sense and logic would dictate more proof of guilt than assumption will ever provide.  It's absolutely and positively absurd on its face and, indeed, one of the most asinine assumptions made in this thread about any subject simply because you have zero knowledge upon which to base that assumption.  Common sense and logic.  Please.

I thought long and hard and I think the best response would be, whatever. 

See, this is why we'd have been better off with Gore in office on 9/11.  If he tried to do such stupid things as Bush, the conservatives would have stopped him.

(Yes, I'm insulting liberals and conservatives alike.  It's fun!)

Like I say, Al, I'm working on that gold star!

Well Geoff if I was giving them out you would get one.

Geoff I do owe you a big apology, you are not the typical closed minded republican. Mike as he is with Obama, he was with you, you are one of the good ones. And Al you are just like the big lovable silly Uncle that sometimes says something really important but never takes himself too serious.

I know my opinion of you two may not make a difference, But I did want to post it, because I was wrong.

Scott I wan't to leave you with words spoken much better then I could.

"the practice of arbitrary imprisonments have been, in all ages, the favorite and most formidable instruments of tyranny." --Alexander Hamilton, Federalist #84

"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy."
-- James Madison, while a U.S. Congressman

He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself."
-- Thomas Paine

"The propagandist's purpose is to make one set of people forget that certain other sets of people are human." --Aldous Huxley

"you put me in Iraq and told me to torture, and I did it and I regretted it later."  -- Tony Lagouranis, former U.S. Army interrogator at Abu Ghraib and Mosul

"In the past our politicians offered us dreams of a better world. Now they promise to protect us from nightmares." --BBC television special

"The world has never doubted the judgment at Nuremberg. But no one will trust the work of these secret [Bush Administration] tribunals." P sabin Willet