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Juan Jose Colin Arciniega Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 6413
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| Posted: 05 March 2008 at 10:48am | IP Logged | 1
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and just for fun....
http://mx.youtube.com/watch?v=FOTAfGuLA-0
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Thom Price Byrne Robotics Member
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Joined: 29 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 7592
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| Posted: 05 March 2008 at 10:54am | IP Logged | 2
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I'm dismayed by the number of Obama supporters who are calling for Clinton to drop out of the race "for the good of the party." When Obama was behind in the delegate count, was he willing to drop out "for the good of the party?" As demonstrated in Texas, Ohio and Rhode Island, there are still a lot of people in this country who favor Clinton. Why should voters in subsequent states be denied their voice?
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Geoff Gibson Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 21 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 5744
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| Posted: 05 March 2008 at 11:04am | IP Logged | 3
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I think it will be McCain v. Obama but I have not counted out Hillary. If she gets the nomination, it will be (or as importantly seem to be) the result of manuvering the super delagates. I think it could be at the cost of the party and could cause the momentum of the party to slip and cause voter disinterst. What is awesome about Obama's campaign is the excitement he has generated. Bill Clinton never did that. The last president to do that was Reagan. I think if Clinton wins it will look like the "establishment" wins and many of the passionate Obama supporters will walk away.
As for the GOP -- clearly McCain is the nominee. I don't think he will consider Powell though. I think one of the shames of the Bush administration is I think they ruined Colin Powell. It would be so easy to swiftboat him on his testimony to the UN about Iraq and paint him as either a liar or fool (neither of which I think is true). I don't think he couldn't be rehabilitated but I think he has too much dignity to subject himself to the political arena again. Also I don't think Powell would deliver the black vote (even if the opposition were Clinton).
If I were advising McCain I would advise him to consider a hispanic running mate. Hispanics are an untapped goldmine of votes. McCain is already on the "right" side of immigration for that constituancy imagine the impact a hispanic running mate could have. It would also offset (somewhat) the "historic pull" of either an Obama or Clinton campaign. I also think from a political perspective it could deliver hispanic voters to the GOP for decades, giving the party a much needed infusion of diversity.
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Vinny Valenti Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 17 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 8534
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| Posted: 05 March 2008 at 11:10am | IP Logged | 4
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Dunno about that.....whether or not people care to admit it, Bush's Administration seemed to have more minorities in top positions than any other (Powell, Rice, Gonzoles, etc), but I don't think it helped.
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Sam Parker Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 01 September 2006 Location: United States Posts: 562
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0FjfIJ6RCM
"Comic books and politics in this country have gone straight to hell!"
Edited by Sam Parker on 05 March 2008 at 12:35pm
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Paul Greer Byrne Robotics Security

Joined: 18 August 2004 Posts: 14203
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I think McCain will win. I won't be voting for him, but that is my prediction.
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Geoff Gibson Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 21 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 5744
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Dunno about that.....whether or not people care to admit it, Bush's Administration seemed to have more minorities in top positions than any other (Powell, Rice, Gonzoles, etc), but I don't think it helped.
Vinny appointments do not speak to voters -- candidates do. If a party wants to reach out to a group they make them part of the electoral process. Give them faces and names they know to vote for so they feel represented. Appointments are lobbyed for by interest groups and lobbyists. Candidates are voted for by the people.
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John Young Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 22 August 2004 Location: United States Posts: 3164
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I am a Blue Dog Democrat, but I worry if the party can win if Hillery Clinton receives the nomination. My father is a life long Democrat, but detests Mrs. Clinton. I was for Edwards and will now support Obama. The reason I mention my father is that if she can generate distaste in him, I can imagination what distaste and hatred less "liberal" people feel towards her. I have no predictions on who will win, I have put my support behind Obama and will continue to support him.
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Frank Gurstelle Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 03 November 2006 Posts: 224
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I'm dismayed by the number of Obama supporters who are calling for Clinton to drop out of the race "for the good of the party." When Obama was behind in the delegate count, was he willing to drop out "for the good of the party?" As demonstrated in Texas, Ohio and Rhode Island, there are still a lot of people in this country who favor Clinton. Why should voters in subsequent states be denied their voice?
I have always voted Republican. And, as a Republican, it should be obvious why a long drawn out fight between Obama and Clinton can only help us. As already demonstrated, Hilary has to go negative. That, and crying, has given her some traction. Her, "who do you want to be at the call at 3 a.m." commercial played right into Republican hands. Who do you want at the phone? McCain! The more they swipe at each other, the better McCain looks. And the more money they spend, the less they have for the general election.
If those voters in subsequent states are Democrats, and they truly want a voice, it would be better if the Democrats resolved this well before the convention, because to do otherwise risks strengthening the Republican candidate.
As for prognostication, I feel Hilary, if nominated, will lose (even with a pissed-off at the Republican country mind set). Obama fairs better, assuming Hilary doesn't put too many holes in him before the general election.
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William McCormick Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 26 February 2006 Posts: 3297
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The more they swipe at each other, the better McCain looks.
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No. Not really. I find it funny that the big knock against Kerry was he was a flip flopper on so many issues. McCain has done the same thing but I don't see the supposedly liberal media calling him out on it.
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Thom Price Byrne Robotics Member
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Joined: 29 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 7592
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| Posted: 05 March 2008 at 12:22pm | IP Logged | 11
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more they swipe at each other, the better McCain looks. And the more
money they spend, the less they have for the general election.
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I don't buy it. Is there anything that Obama and Clinton are throwing at each other that the Republican Party won't eventually? Better to eliminate the "weaker" candidate through the Primaries, than have those weaknesses come out in the General Election.
My personal belief is that Hillary is better suited to withstand the coming attacks, because she's already done it. That "dump truck of dirt" on Clinton that Obama likes to occasionally refer to has already been thoroughly exhausted, and the American public collectively yawned at it for 8 years. Who knows what may or may not be in Obama's past, or if he can withstand the onslaught of the Republican Party. (The media won't remain starry-eyed about Obama forever.) Hillary can, because she's already done it -- multiple times.
As for the money, both Democrats have demonstrated a remarkable ability to generate donations and I see no reason that will dry up during the General Election.
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Keith Elder Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 1973
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| Posted: 05 March 2008 at 12:23pm | IP Logged | 12
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I am pretty sure that Obama will have the Democratic nomination. For Hillary to get the nomination at this point would take either a MASSIVE resurgence in popularity, or really nasty back-room dealing at the convention.
Either way, if it comes down to a Hillary vs McCain, I think McCain will win.
If it's Obama vs McCain, which I think is most likely, I'm not sure how it will turn out. Obama is so charismatic; I've seen people support him, even though they basically disagree with every single one of his stated positions. I think Obama will win that contest... unless he commits too many gaffes, and people begin questioning his inexperience.
McCain wasn't my most or least favorite Republican candidate, but I think he was probably the most electable of the field we had.
I'm not sure whether I'll vote McCain, write in Paul, or vote for whoever ends up being the Libertarian candidate.
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