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Geoff Gibson
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Well then, you get a sticker!
You're the best Tom!
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Michael Roberts
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QUOTE:
To say that "the majority...were captured while attacking us" is
absolutely and utterly absurd based on nothing but what you've heard and
read from other people trying to push the need for Gitmo and their
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According to analyses done on unclassified DoD data, of 516 detainees
for which there was available information, only 5% were captured by U.S.
Forces. Out of the detainees that had capture data available, most were
turned over by the Pakistani government or the Northern Alliance. Many
of these people had bounties attached to them. While these arrests may
have been legitimate, it opens the question whether they could have been
politically or financially motivated.
Analysis done by Seton Hall professor Mark Denbeaux (a lawyer
representing some of the detainees):
http://law.shu.edu/news/guantanamo_reports.htm (It's the link on the bottom
titled REPORT ON GUANTANAMO DETAINEES.)
Report by the Combating Terrorism Center at West Point (Commissioned
by the Pentagon to rebut the Seton Hall study, it still affirms the 5%
figure.)
http://ctc.usma.edu/csrt/default.asp
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Al Cook
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Cool. More real investigation. Thanks, Michael! Checking it out now.
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Matt Reed
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5% pretty much puts the lie to that "majority" Scott seems to think is the reason why they're there. In any event, we simply do not know much about anything of the Gitmo detainees and certainly not enough to say, with any sort of authority, that "the majority...were captured while attacking us". Absurd.
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Geoff Gibson
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Analysis done by Seton Hall professor Mark Denbeaux (a lawyer
representing some of the detainees)
Thats the law school I went to! Thats kind of cool (in a dorky legal nutjob sort of way). Didn't have Denbeaux though.
Edited by Geoff Gibson on 13 June 2008 at 11:08am
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Scott Richards
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That was just him trying to do to me what he kept accusing me of doing to him.
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Let's not nominate you for martyrdom just yet Scott! We are all guilty of making statements based not on facts but on opinions. Al was expressing his, just as you have expressed yours.
Hmmm. I missed where I did that. All I see was me expressing my opinion about what he said.
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Scott Richards
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| the majority of the prisoners were captured while attacking us |
You know nothing of the sort. Why? Because with the exception of a very few high profile prisoners, we don't know anything about the detainees in Gitmo. To say that "the majority...were captured while attacking us" is absolutely and utterly absurd based on nothing but what you've heard and read from other people trying to push the need for Gitmo and their cowboy antics. Seriously, Scott, that's about the most ridiculous thing you've posted in this thread.
True. It's not based on documents. It's based on common sense and logic. Documents could possibly prove otherwise. Without documentation common sense and logic are all that can be used.
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Geoff Gibson
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Hmmm. I missed where I did that. All I see was me expressing my opinion about what he said.
Let me help you. Its right here: "That was just him trying to do to me what he kept accusing me of doing to him."
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Matt Reed
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Scott Richards wrote:
| True. It's not based on documents. It's based on common sense and logic. Documents could possibly prove otherwise. Without documentation common sense and logic are all that can be used. |
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I was wrong earlier. This is the dumbest, most asinine thing you've posted in this thread.
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Michael Roberts
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Without documentation common sense and logic are all that can be used.
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Common sense and logic would say, "I don't have enough information to
make an assertion either way.
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Scott Richards
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And now your saying that the Detainees at Gitmo are a direct threat to your personal well being and somehow a threat to our National Security? Please elaborate...
The 19 terrorists involved in the 9/11 plane crashes were part of the same terrorist oragnizations that many of the detainees are members of. That means, if not detained, they would be free to plot additional attacks on the US. I would be at every bit as much risk then as all the innocents killed in the 9/11 attacks were. It's kind of like winning the anti-lotto but everyone is forced to play. Odds of you "winning" are slim but you have the same chance as everyone else.
As I said, I will always err on the side of National Security.
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Matt Reed
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Don't let some innocents very lives get in the way of your precious "national security", Scott. After all, you're the most important thing in the universe in your world. What's a few lives in exchange for your safety.
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