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Geoff Gibson
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(Thanks.)
Just trying to be fair Al!
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Al Cook
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It's appreciated.
When I'm not being fair feel free to call me out on it, Geoff. I trust your
judgement.
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Matt Reed
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Scott Richards wrote:
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You know nothing of the sort. Why? Because with the exception of a very few high profile prisoners, we don't know anything about the detainees in Gitmo. To say that "the majority...were captured while attacking us" is absolutely and utterly absurd based on nothing but what you've heard and read from other people trying to push the need for Gitmo and their cowboy antics. Seriously, Scott, that's about the most ridiculous thing you've posted in this thread.
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Donald Miller
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I already did. I said if they were trying to kill our troops (the
majority of the prisoners were captured while attacking us) that's
proof. I also said if any of them were taken based on heresay, not in
combat, then they should have the right to legal representation. I was
pretty clear.
A repost for clarity sake...
I already did. I said if they were trying to kill our troops (the
majority of the prisoners were captured while attacking us) that's
proof.
This part is about Enemy Combatants?
I also said if any of them were taken based on heresay, not in
combat, then they should have the right to legal representation. I was
pretty clear.
and this part is about Terrorists?
and this reply was in response to "How do we know they were terrorists without a trial"
If they are captured "in Combat" does that not make them a combatant? It's this ethereal "Terrorist" label that I think is causing part of the confusion...but I think it's meant to so...
Also, I still want to know how how you tell if they were attacking us, or defending their homes...
To me, a military tribunal is the same as a trial for these purposes.
Sure let's pretend they're the same thing...
In this case I will always err on the side of National Security.
It may not be politically correct, but I would always pick infringing upon questionable rights of foreign nationals over dying.
And now your saying that the Detainees at Gitmo are a direct threat to your personal well being and somehow a threat to our National Security? Please elaborate...
Don
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Geoff Gibson
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Presumption of Innocence should be a universally applied principle, not a privilege reserved for american citizens.
You know, Knut, I think, philospophically speaking, we need to keep this in mind. I believe the protections afforded by the Bill of Rights are among the first, and most eloquent, articulations of basic human rights -- which should be what we as Americans are most proud. When we look to infringe those rights we should be very careful for risk of losing our national soul.
God. Now I feel like I should hug a tree. Where are those baby seals?!?!?
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Join me! I've been labeled a tree hugger more than a few times on this site! There's always room for one more!!!
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Geoff Gibson
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When I'm not being fair feel free to call me out on it, Geoff. I trust your
judgement
Be careful about that -- look at who I voted for in 2000!
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Tom French
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Well, I'm not qualified to hand them out, so you'll have to appeal to the
teachers in this thread. We have plenty!
As a music teacher, I don't hand out many gold stars, BUT... I have these cool music note stickers (they sparkle!).
I'm happy to give them out to all the wounded sparrows, martyrs and Canadians we have participating in this thread.
edited to add: treehuggers, too!
Edited by Tom French on 13 June 2008 at 9:40am
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Al Cook
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Hopefully I only qualify as "Canadian", given your list there, Tom. (I don't so
much hug trees as respect and admire them and support their goals from a
non-creepy distance.)
Edited by Al Cook on 13 June 2008 at 10:08am
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Al Cook
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Geoff: It's your vote in 2004 that counts.
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Geoff Gibson
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Geoff: It's your vote in 2004 that counts.
Not to everyone, as you know! :o)
*Sorry, felt compeled to join the pity party . . . .
Edited by Geoff Gibson on 13 June 2008 at 10:09am
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Sorry, felt compeled to join the pity party . . . .
Well then, you get a sticker!
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