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Christopher Alan Miller
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Which is it?
On May 30th, Rush Limbaugh said he had heard a rumor that a tape exists of Michelle Obama using the word “Whitey” from the pulpit of Trinity United Church of Christ
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Rush Limbaugh says a tape exists of Michelle Obama using the word “whitey” from the pulpit of Trinity United
Saying something exists when it doesn't is a lie. Saying you heard a rumor that something exists may not be a lie.
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Christopher Alan Miller
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You do not have a right to medical care
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It's not a constitutional right but I believe it's illegal to deny emergency medical care.
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Geoff Gibson
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Christopher:
You're right my bad. I was thinking of non emergency care but thats not
clear from my post -- amend it to "You do not have a right to welfare"
Edited by Geoff Gibson on 12 June 2008 at 7:17pm
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Michael Roberts
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Saying something exists when it doesn't is a lie. Saying you heard a rumor that something exists may not be a lie.
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But the latter could be considered repeating a lie. So I think the label works.
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Christopher Alan Miller
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So every new channel that reports that rumor is lying?
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Michael Roberts
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So every new channel that reports that rumor is lying?
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Nope. But they'd be repeating a lie. Hence LIE and not LIAR.
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Michael Myers
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So Scott, you have no problems at all with people grabbed from other
countries and brought to American soil, given no due process, being
tortured (maybe, who knows?) and held with little or no evidence and
with no chance of ever proving their innocence or guilt, except in a
military court which refuses the defense access to evidence?
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Neil, you've been reading too many posts by Al and Knut. The fact is that such installations are NOT legally considered sovereign United States territory. Even the recent decision admits that Guantanamo is not "technically" anything other than the sovereign possession of Cuba, ours only through treaty lease. The Majority decision:
(i) The Court does not question the Government's position that Cuba
maintains sovereignty, in the legal and technical sense, over
Guantanamo, but it does not accept the Government's premise that de jure sovereignty is the touchstone of habeas jurisdiction.
Based in part on the Eisentrager holding, the Government argued that Guantanamo is NOT sovereign U.S. territory...and the Majority agreed. Where the current decision outstrips anything previous is in considering further the scope of application for the writ to include a de facto understanding not previously recognized (the Eisentrager holding stopped full at de jure recognition of sovereignty, despite a de facto presumption).
And, really, is that your understanding of Scott's comments? Honestly?
"Since
they have no rights under American law, why even bother keeping them
alive? Just shoot them and get it over with. Their fault for living in
a war zone and if some are innocent, too bad. Serves them right for not
overthrowing Saddam when they should have."
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This is ridiculous. More baseless extremism in a thread that can't seem to help indulging in the wildest of partisan bullshit. You know, the funny thing is that I don't even necessarily agree with the handling of Guantanamo detainees by the Executive Branch...yet, you nuts don't have a legitimate fucking clue as to what you're arguing for OR against.
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Christopher Alan Miller
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That's not a lie. There is a rumor.
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Jeff Gillmer
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"LIE: Rush Limbaugh says a tape exists of Michelle Obama using the word “whitey” from the pulpit of Trinity United"
Actually, this part is a lie. Rush doesn't say there is a tape. He said that Larry Johnson says there is a tape. I know Limbaugh is a boogy man to liberals, but isn't there enough to dislike about him without having to make crap up?
It's tough to take serious a web site made to fight rumors when they use items that are inaccurate.
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Kevin Brown
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That's not a lie. There is a rumor.
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Which is addressed here: http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/notape
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Neil Lindholm
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You know what Mike? You are correct. By a single clause written eighty years ago, the area is technically under Cuban sovereignty. So, when Cuba demands that their laws are upheld and for the prisoners to be released for legal trial, I am sure the US government will support it and release them.
C'mon, it is a US base on foreign soil. On hostile foreign soil. The idea that it is not American soil is an abstract which they have exploited to allow them to ignore the US Constitution. I am sure that it is just a coincidence that they decided to build the prison there, outside of the laws of the US. Too scared to actually face a real court, they hide under legal quirks.
I am wondering if a child born in Guantanamo by a military person stationed there is an American citizen? Under the rules they have set up, he is not born in American soil and is therefore a Cuban? Does he have to apply to become an American or is it granted automatically?
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Christopher Alan Miller
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am wondering if a child born in Guantanamo by a military person stationed there is an American citizen?
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The child is an American citizen.
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