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Christopher Alan Miller
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my husband's relatives came to this country on the Mayflower, totally univited by the Natives who lived in the Jamestown area
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Wrong colony
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Geoff Gibson
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Perhaps I didn't word it as clearly as I might have (when quickly replying
to something between things at work you don't always have the luxury). My
context was speaking purely of the Guantanmo prisoners since that's what
the case was about. I don't feel foriegn combatants or illegal aliens should
have the same rights on our soil as, say, a tourist or someone else legally in
our country.
Can't say I agree with that. I actually find it troubling.
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Scott Richards
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You don't mind your tax dollars paying for benefits for someone who is here in violation of the law? I find that troubling.
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Matt Reed
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How can one law (being an illegal) count while another (for example the right to a fair and civil trial in defense of an illegal raped on our soil, here or abroad) not count?
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Neil Lindholm
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So Scott, you have no problems at all with people grabbed from other countries and brought to American soil, given no due process, being tortured (maybe, who knows?) and held with little or no evidence and with no chance of ever proving their innocence or guilt, except in a military court which refuses the defense access to evidence?
Since they have no rights under American law, why even bother keeping them alive? Just shoot them and get it over with. Their fault for living in a war zone and if some are innocent, too bad. Serves them right for not overthrowing Saddam when they should have.
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Jodi Moisan
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This just in
Michelle Obama Says “Whitey” On a Tape
LIE: Rush Limbaugh says a tape exists of Michelle Obama using the word “whitey” from the pulpit of Trinity United
LIE: Blogger Larry Johnson writes “New and dramatic developments. This is a heads up. I'll post the news Monday morning by 0900 hours.”
LIE: Proven GOP sleazemeister Roger Stone says he has “credible evidence that some indelible record exists” of a tape of Michelle Obama using the term “whitey.”
LIE: Blogger: “Tape was filmed between June 26th - July 1st 2004 in Chicago, IL at the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition Conference at Trinity United Church: specifically the Women's Event.”
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Tom French
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Wrong colony
Well then, that's my mistake and not his. My partner's family was one of the founding families of Jamestown (which I hear about over and over with each passing relative I meet). The ultimately moved and settled in the Boston area, wearing blue during the Northern Act of Aggression, which got into their blood.
I'm the mutt, half-German and half-Irish -- but all American! So American, it seems, that I'm lacking in my social studies education. However, I CAN find Iraq on a map!
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Ray Brady
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"You don't mind your tax dollars paying for benefits for someone who is
here in violation of the law?"
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Far more of my tax dollars are currently being siphoned off by corrupt
officials half a world away who hate me and my country. I'd like to see that
hemhorraging stopped before I start worrying about the guy picking grapes
for two dollars an hour.
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Matt Reed
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I think innocent before proved guilty should apply no matter who you are and that the laws that govern we, as Americans, should extend to others if we are going to be the kind of magnanimous superpower we claim to be. I find Gitmo to be a terrible black eye on our country and a rotten way to have done the business of finding and bringing to trial those individuals who may have (innocent before proved guilty, remember) done harm to us.
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Tom French
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I think innocent before proved guilty should apply no matter who you are and that the laws that govern we, as Americans, should extend to others if we are going to be the kind of magnanimous superpower we claim to be.
Wasn't that Jefferson's whole philosophy and one of the founding principles of our country? "All men are created equal and endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights"
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Geoff Gibson
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You don't mind your tax dollars paying for benefits for someone who is
here in violation of the law? I find that troubling.
Your missing my point and confusing services with rights. I don't want to
get back into the illegal alien debate -- which is what I think you are
articulating. You do not have a right to medical care. That is a service. You
have a right to due process. That is a right guaranteed by the constitution
regardless of you citizenship.*
*With specific and very tailored exceptions.
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Geoff Gibson
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I'll second what Matt says.
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