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Didier Yvon Paul Fayolle
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Toulouse... food... http://www.hertzmann.com/articles/2001/pork/
Toulouse saussages of course...
Can we try to go back to American politics ? This thread makes me want to eat...
Edited by Didier Yvon Paul Fayolle on 10 June 2008 at 10:21pm
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Geoff Gibson
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I was sad that the Celtics had Toulouse . . . .
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Jodi Moisan
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(And those who aren't? I just ignore those guys.)
Good advice I think I'll take it. To be honest I think I need to stick to the "What's in my sketchbook" thread. John Peter Britton may be a republican or a democrat but it hasn't come up, nor should it and the nice thing is, I am in complete agreement with everyone on there, that man can draw like there is no tomorrow.
I hate to sound like a Pollyanna
Don't hate to sound like one, that is what makes you one of the good ones.
Carry on with the civil debate, I'll vent by writing letters to my elected officials to encourage them to stand with Dennis Kucinich.
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Geoff Gibson
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Think I will exercise the better part of valor here . . . back to the elections.
It
looks like this will ruin Jim Webb's chances on the Obama ticket:
Webb's Rebel Roots
Anyone know what Webb meant? I can't believe that he was endorsing the
confederate view -- I can understand having a Bill Maher moment though.
Edited by Geoff Gibson on 10 June 2008 at 10:42pm
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Brian Hunt
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Jodi, email me. I have something you want.
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Christopher Alan Miller
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Webb barely won his Senate seat. I would be very surprised if Obama picked him.
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Michael Roberts
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Webb also comes with a lot of baggage. He benefited from Allen having
foot-in-mouth disease. In addition to his neo-confederacy comments, he's
been accused of sexism for writing an article in the 70s about why women
don't belong in the military, which will probably go over well with former
Hilary supporters. He's been accused of racism. And then there's the sex and
"pedophile incest" passages from his fiction novels.
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Scott Richards
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Matt I honestly agree with everything you say, I kept telling my husband "if a mom in Muncie, IN, knows there is no WMD's in Iraq why can't those in power know the same."
Jodie, I'm a strong Clinton supporter, but honestly, if I was the one who had to make the decision and I had to choose between all the info (not known to be faulty at the time) they had about WMD or the gut feel (that's all it was, that mom in Muncie didn't "know"), I'd have gone with the info and not the gut feel.
Bush has done a terrible job, but I can't fault him for acting on what he was given. I fault the sources of intelligence gathering.
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Scott Richards
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Whats the death toll in Iraq?
Excellent question. On the flip side, how many Iraqi's would have been killed by Saddam and his troops over the same period of time if they had just been left alone? I'm not advocating that attacking was the right thing to do. I'm just saying I never see anyone mention the annual death toll prior to the attack. A death toll that included rape and torture prior to death.
Edited by Scott Richards on 11 June 2008 at 7:04am
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Kevin Hagerman
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Bush has done a terrible job, but I can't fault him for acting on what he was given. I fault the sources of intelligence gathering.
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You should fault him on what he planned to do all along, before 9/11, before he was even elected. The invasion of Iraq was a fait accompli as soon as he got the job.
I'm just saying I never see anyone mention the annual death toll prior to the attack. A death toll that included rape and torture prior to death.
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And now we're the rapists and torturers. No thanks.
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Al Cook
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QUOTE:
On the flip side, how many Iraqi's would have been killed by Saddam
and his troops over the same period of time if they had just been left alone?
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Impossible to say. 1? 5? 500? 5,000? Interesting to speculate about, to be
sure, but irrelevant.
What is the current death toll caused by the U.S. invasion? (And not
just U.S. soldiers, god rest their souls, but allies and iraqis, too...)
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Scott Richards
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I don't know that's it's irrelevant.
If we had a way of seeing alternate histories (don't we wish) and it showed double or triple the number if Iraqis killed if there was no attack versus there being an attack, would the attack then be a bad thing? Or if terrorist networks had the freedom to work and plan in Iraq with no impediments would there have been another attack on US soil. It's impossible to know if things would have been better or worse. We only know they would have been different.
Not saying the attack was right. Just food for thought.
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