Invading is wrong but airstrikes and signing legislation calling for regime change is ok?

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Oh, absolutely not.  One of the worst moments of our misadventures in Iraq is when Saddam threw out the U.N. inspectors, accusing them of spying for the U.S.  Clinton promptly ordered air strikes.  Subsequents years revealed that there was a strong likelihood that the U.N. inspectors were spying for the U.S.

But that's nowhere near as bad as invading.

Furthermore, when Bill Clinton is President I will gladly bang the drum again for his failures.  And I'll proudly flip the bird to the next administration when they disappoint, which they inevitably will.  But the motherfucker ruining the country right now, RIGHT NOW, is George W. Bush.  Forgive me for living in the present.

Oh, absolutely not.  One of the worst moments of our misadventures in Iraq is when Saddam threw out the U.N. inspectors, accusing them of spying for the U.S.  Clinton promptly ordered air strikes.  Subsequents years revealed that there was a strong likelihood that the U.N. inspectors were spying for the U.S.

And you are being MUCH more intellectually honest than Jodi by acknowledging this. She seems to think only Republicans do things like this.

But that's nowhere near as bad as invading.

True...especially when the Bush administration had the onus of needing to be 110% sure (I know from the hated expressions thread I'm exasperating a few by using 110%) they were right. But even worse is the way they fumbled the occupation and refused to change course despite mounting evidence that Iraq was fast becoming a quagmire. Just one incompetent move after another...and a complete unwillingness to even acknowledge, much less correct, mistakes.

Furthermore, when Bill Clinton is President I will gladly bang the drum again for his failures.  And I'll proudly flip the bird to the next administration when they disappoint, which they inevitably will.  But the motherfucker ruining the country right now, RIGHT NOW, is George W. Bush.  Forgive me for living in the present.

Well, Bush and congress. And at least there's only a few months left of the former. We'll see how the latter shakes out.

"I feel that Saddam Hussein was a paper tiger and everyone knew it, but no one wanted to lose their punching bag. "

Looking back, I think this was definitely the case. I must admit, I didn't think so at the time. I bought into his threat. But I was wrong.

Looking back, I think this was definitely the case. I must admit, I didn't think so at the time. I bought into his threat. But I was wrong.

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Full disclosure: I was POSITIVE there was no semen-stained blue dress.  Positive.  If I had been a betting man, I'd be posting this over in the "stupidest thing ever done" thread...

The Clinton administration didn't get it all correct, but the policy of containment with regard to Sadam was correct.  It was working.  It took an idiot like Bush to go forward with an ill planned invasion that didn't have enough troops on the ground to stop the rioting, in fighting,  and looting that was inevitable when the Iraqi government collapsed.  How didn't Rumsfeld see that coming?  What would happen here if the government at all levels was removed tomorrow? Many bright minds contemplated this scenario, but when they mentioned it they were forced to resign.  That's what burns my butt about the Bush administration.  They can't take common sense advice. 

Hey!  Hey now... easy everyone.

Jodi made a really good point here that we're all missing.

That I'm hot.

Seriously though, Jodi is correct in that Americans should be up in arms about the actions of this administration.

Having said that, Jodi, Geoff is a super-cool dude - he's like an honorary Democrat. 

I'm back

 strong likelihood

 is that the same as fact?

Let's see what the republicans have been up to this week:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25002970/