Of course he's nowhere near Bush in terms of "bad Presidency", but I was kind of throwing that out there as something for the Republicans to identify with. 

Can I tell you how much I regret my 2000 vote?  But, in my defense, the candidate Bush promised to be was what I voted for.  He never materialized.  In the initial wake of 9/11, I thought he was okay.  I agreed with going into Afghanastan.   But he totally lost me with the "Axis of Evil" on foreign policy and a domestic agenda which seemed to consist of refusing to allow gays to marry and complaining about 'roids in MLB. 

Well I think Clinton did a good job as President because he went along with the Republican congress about 80% of the time.  As for people's feeling about Clinton I think he did a good job of promising things to constituancies and never delivering.  He promised gays that they could come out of the shadows, yet he signed DOMA and agreed to Don't Ask Don't Tell.  He promised workers he was on their side, yet when he signed NAFTA* (which I happen to think is a great law) he did nothing to spur on retraining of American union labor.

*Contrary to Senators Clinton and Obama's presidential positions I don't think NAFTA is the culprit for fewer factory/manufactoring/union jobs.  I think its automation.

The "Axis of Evil" speech remains the worst thing I have ever watched on TV.  Just a sinking feeling in my stomach.  Before that I was neutral on GWB, but that was the tipping point - tipped me WAAAAY over.

My reaction was "what did he fucking say?!?!?" And then I wondered if he'd hit the sauce again.  If only . . . .

I've said this before.  I had no issue with Clinton while he was president -- though I had my reservations about Don't Ask/ Don't Tell.  But I've been very unimpressed with the way he conducted himself during his wife's campaign. 

I continually thought, "C'mon, Bill.  You're supposed to be ABOVE this kind of negative crap!"

The "Axis of Evil" speech remains the worst thing I have ever watched on TV

The worse thing I ever saw on TV would have been Game 7 of the 2004 ALCS.  That still hurts.

For what it's worth, Canadians generally thought Clinton was a great
president.

Al:

It was his love of donuts, wasn't it?  I know I've seen Strange Brew.

Whereas Clinton was a terrible Democrat, he steered the ship though an era of peace and prosperity we'll likely never see again in our lifetimes, so I'll grant him that.

If it wasn't for primaries, it's things like that which make me want to be unaffiliated to a party.  I don't care about someone being a "good" or "bad" Democrat or Republican.  I care about what kind of a job they do in the office.  Toeing the party line is wrong, IMO.

The worse thing I ever saw on TV would have been Game 7 of the 2004 ALCS.  That still hurts.

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I feel your pain (even though baseball sucks).  The Steelers-Cowboys '95 Super Bowl still hurts.

I continually thought, "C'mon, Bill.  You're supposed to be ABOVE this kind of negative crap!"

He never was when he was running . . .