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Mike O'Brien
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Posted: 14 March 2008 at 7:04pm | IP Logged | 1  

Well, see, here's how this works, white people are in a position of power in this nation - so, based on the power structure, yes, it is ok for the poeple who have been oppressed to express resentment over said oppressment, while it's in poor taste for the oppressor to call for more oppression against the oppressed.

If Hillary went to White Supremecy Rallies (or, as we like to call 'em, her campain stops!  ha ha) then, yes, she should be ashamed.  For a preacher at Barack's church to be upset that the blacks in America have been subjigated, suppressed, enslaved, oppressed, basically shat upon, for 400+ years?  Not such a big deal. 

I'm sorry for those who have struggles coming to terms with the fact that some black people in America are upset about the hand they've been dealt, but it is the reality, and no ammount of fussing over them and saying how it's unfair that they're mad about their treatment will change that. 

Best part?  Obama isn't even saying that sort of talk.  Some preacher in his church is.

Here's a funny observation: This has been big action on left wing talk radio, on blogs, on street corners - but all from Democrats - all saying the same thing "Well, the Republicans will use it".  Sure.  After you're done using it.

Say what you want about Obama voters leaving the party in a huff.  Hillary's team intends to leave the party destroyed if she doesn't win.  Just icing in the proof cake that she's unfit to be anything more than dog-catcher.

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Posted: 14 March 2008 at 7:10pm | IP Logged | 2  

Sad to see such bitter fighting among Democrats over their candidate of choice.  The Republicans, with their nomination firmly in hand, must be smiling and giggling ear to ear...
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Posted: 14 March 2008 at 7:28pm | IP Logged | 3  

Screw you, you hippie!

 

 

 

I kid, I kid.  Matt's not a hippie.

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Posted: 14 March 2008 at 7:58pm | IP Logged | 4  

Mike as long as you're happy with your double standard ... good for you.
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Posted: 14 March 2008 at 8:09pm | IP Logged | 5  

It would only be a double standard if both sides were equal, Thom.

I'm ok with the preacher venting his feelings - and I'm not ok with white nuts oppressing minorities.

No double standards.  Balance of Power.

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Posted: 14 March 2008 at 8:23pm | IP Logged | 6  

Didn't the preacher also talk about 9/11 being defensible because of the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki and the subjugation of Palestinians? The black-white thing seems to be a side issue. I have not seen TV about this so I don't know how they have been spinning this.




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Posted: 14 March 2008 at 8:34pm | IP Logged | 7  

Ah, but did Obama ever say that?

And what's more, look at where this guy's misplaced anger is coming from - he's talking from the point of view of a people that have been treated hideously by this nation. 

So, again:

1) It's not anything that's coming out of Obama's mouth, or that has been expressed by him, or shown in any of his public policies or votes or committies.  I'm sure a lot of people have said crazy things around or near Obama, and Clinton and McCain, but we have to deal with what we've got.  Obviously, Obama is so clean, the best the Hillary campaign can do is try to drag him down by linking him to things other people say and think.

2) The Preacher said some pretty far-out things, but none of them mean anything.  He's not in any sort of position of power.  He's not even influencing his own congreation, much less anyone outside of it.  He's a harmless old coot who says things from the point of view of the oppressed, and as such, the things he says are just hyperbolic at worst.

Waiting for something legit against Obama... waiting... (I think it's going to be a long wait...)

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Posted: 14 March 2008 at 8:48pm | IP Logged | 8  

I think a problem some people may have is guilt by association.

There was a mosque in Canada that was spouting all kinds of garbage and after many of his followers got busted for terrorism planning, the parishioners were very quick to deny ever hearing this stuff or claiming that they felt uncomfortable listening to it and did not believe it . Yet nobody did or said anything. It showed them to be either weak or unsure of their beliefs. This guy's speeches had been recorded and were available for purchase at the mosque, which ruined their protests of ignorance.

If Obama was with this guy for 20 years and never heard anything like this in all that time, either he had blinkers on or choose to ignore it. Probably the latter. Still, this brings doubt as to his convictions of beliefs.

To me, this is a minor point and it is nothing compared to Clinton's past dealings. If nothing else, having Obama as a president will make things interesting.

Went to a party last night (well, just a few guys sitting around drinking) and one guy thought that Obama would be assassinated if he ever got the nod. Another guy who had lived in the States for years doubted that Americans would ever vote for a woman or a black and that McCain would win. Everybody supported Obama but wonder if the US is ready for a president like him. I hope he gets in but I have a bad feeling that people will chicken out and vote for McCain when they have to decide. Politics and fear as usual. I hope I am wrong.


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Posted: 14 March 2008 at 8:57pm | IP Logged | 9  

I do not hold Obama responsible for his pastor's comments -- any more than I hold Hillary responsible for Ferraro's comments.  What I have to question is why he would remain part of a congregation whose pastor is expressing such inflammatory rhetoric -- especially since Obama has now denounced those comments.  That is actually kind of funny; you're defending the pastor's comments, while Obama himself is now denouncing it.

I don't think Obama shares this man's opinions; at least, I certainly would hope not.  I don't care much for him, but I certainly give him more credit than that.  I do, however, have to wonder why he would remain part of an church promoting ideas that he says he doesn't agree with.  You seem like a pretty upright guy, Mike; I'd think if you were part of an organization spouting ideology that you strong disagreed with, I think you would make your voice known loud and clear, or at the very least resign in protest.  Obama did not.  Why?  I think that's a very valid question.  You present him as this amazing, moral, straight-as-an-arrow leader, and yet he sat by quietly while someone spouted hate talk that he disagrees with. 

I personally think Obama's more ardent supporters are going to eventually be quite disappointed; they've built him up to a level of near-perfection that no person could live up to.  He's a man, nothing more or less; yet his followers seem to see him as some shining paragon, an amalgamation of Lincoln, Ghandi and Kennedy.  I think there's going to be a lot of disillusionment when he inevitably wobbles on his pedestal.
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Posted: 14 March 2008 at 9:07pm | IP Logged | 10  

There are tons of Catholics who remain Catholics despite disagreeing with the Church's stance on gays, women in the clergy, and abortion. I don't find that sinister. Personally, I think he just didn't want to air the "dirty laundry" of his community. You can see that as weak, or you can see that as pragmatic.
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Posted: 14 March 2008 at 9:09pm | IP Logged | 11  

I don't find that sinister

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I don't find it sinister, but I do find it cowardly and hypocritical.


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Posted: 14 March 2008 at 9:17pm | IP Logged | 12  

I don't find it sinister, but I do find it cowardly and hypocritical.

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