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Thom Price
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I see in the press now the  "he only gets a pass on his inexperience because he's black" argument is being used by prominent Clinton supporters.

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Supporter, as in singular.  Also, an opinion rejected by Clinton herself.  But if we're holding the opinion of a single supporter against the candidate, I suppose the "monster" comments about Clinton by one of Obama's supporters is also being held against him?

Ferraro's comments have been been blown ridiculously out-of-proportion.  I know race remains an uber-sensitive subject, and if you even directly refer to it you're immediately a racist, but I don't think Obama would be here he is if he were a white man.  For that matter, Clinton wouldn't be either if she were a man.  They're both riding a wave of excitement about being the first viable Presidential candidates in American history who were something other than white men.  They're both in their position as much for who they are, as for what they've done.  Take away the former, and I don't see either of them generating the kind of enthusiasm they've both received.

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Clinton balanced the budget?  How did I miss this news? 

When was the last time the US actually had a balanced budget?  It's debt has been increasing steadily for several decades at least, as far as I know.

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Clinton balanced the budget?  How did I miss this news? 

When was the last time the US actually had a balanced budget?  It's debt has been increasing steadily for several decades at least, as far as I know.

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All that means is we were taking in the same or more than we were spending.

That doesn't mean anything to the deficit.

This was quickly wiped out by the Bush tax cuts and the cost of the war in Iraq.

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I think Nixon was the last President to balance the budget before Clinton.
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Nixon... our best worst president.
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 Thom Price wrote:
I suppose the "monster" comments about Clinton by one of Obama's supporters is also being held against him?

Ferraro's comments have been been blown ridiculously out-of-proportion.  I know race remains an uber-sensitive subject, and if you even directly refer to it you're immediately a racist, but I don't think Obama would be here he is if he were a white man.


Well, the Obama staffer who made the "monster" comment was immediately asked to resign.  Clinton has not removed Ferraro from her post on her finance committee.

Obama's race has little to do with where he is now.  He's gotten to this point partly on ability, partly on charm and speaking ability, just like Bill Clinton did 16 years ago with similar levels of experience and charisma.  If anything Obama's race (and his "foreign-sounding" name) have hurt him more than helped him.  If he was a white guy named Barry O'Brian I think he'd already have secured the nomination.
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Clinton balanced the budget?

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Remember how he cut the military in the 90's ?  Good thing that didn't come bite us in the ass

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Well, the Obama staffer who made the "monster" comment was immediately asked to resign.  Clinton has not removed Ferraro from her post on her finance committee.

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Samantha Power resigned on her own accord, exactly as Geraldine Ferraro has done.  I didn't hear a peep of protest when it was an Obama supporter slandering -- in quite stronger terms -- Clinton, but there's much righteous indignation when the shoe is on the other foot.  Double standard, much?

Obama's race has little to do with where he is now.

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So you honestly believe that a white male Democrat running against Hillary Clinton would have siphoned off up to 90% of the African-American votes?  Dubious, at best.  Against a Republican, sure, as the black vote tends to sway heavily towards Democrats, but against a more established candidate who is well liked by the black community (in general)?  Again, dubious.  Take away that massive support from Obama, and much of the wind is taken out of his sails.  So no, he would not be in the same position if he were a white man.
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Uh, but the black vote is, what, 12%  He's winning by a lot more than that.  He's not winning because of the black vote; he's winning because he's the better candidate.
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If you plugged Jessie Jackson or Al Sharpton in Obama's place, would they do as well?  Is he winning because he's black...or in spite of being black?
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Clinton balanced the budget?

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Remember how he cut the military in the 90's ?  Good thing that didn't come bite us in the ass

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Actually, the downsizing of the military had begun well before that under Bush. There was a temporary stop loss during the first Gulf War but then it started right back up.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/nh_debate_the_gop_fi eld.html

Most of the troop downsizing occurred under the first Bush and his Secretary Of Defense... oh what is his name.. oh yeah Dick Cheney.

This is from the article above.

 

Actually, most of the cutting to which Giuliani refers occurred during the administration of George H.W. Bush. At the end of fiscal year 1993 (which was Bush’s last one in office), the Army had 572,423 active-duty soldiers – a far cry from 725,000. In fact, to get to that number, one has to go back to 1990, during the first gulf war. Moreover, Clinton’s cuts in the military, while large, were nowhere close to 25 percent to 30 percent. Between 1993 and 2001, the Army went from 572,423 to 480,801, which is a decline of 16 percent. The entire military went from 1,705,103 to 1,385,116, a decrease of 18.8 percent.

Compare that with the far larger cuts made during the first Bush administration: In 1989, the military stood at 2,130,229 and the Army had 769,741 soldiers. By 1993, those numbers had declined by 19.9 percent and 25.6 percent, respectively.


And as we’ve pointed out before, it was the first Bush administration
specifically then-Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney – that began bragging openly of the peace dividend.

Five minutes of research to find that.



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I don't get it.
An Obama staffer says  - off the record - that she thinks Hilary Clinton is "a Monster, she'll stoop to anything", in reference to the way her campaign keeps going dirty with outright lies to smear Obama.
Someone on Clinton's campaign goes out and says Obama is unqualified and only gets a pass for being black (of course it could've been worse, she could have called him the "Affirmative Action" Candidate outright instead of just implying it. )

How are those things similar? They shouldn't have been said in a clean campaign, but as a matter of degree Ferraro's comment is far worse.

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