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Kevin Brown
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Posted: 06 March 2008 at 1:55pm | IP Logged | 1  

The only hope Hillary has, I think, are the uncounted FL and MI delegates.  I think the single worst thing that could happen for the Democrats is if there were legal challenges about those delegates, and having this end up in the courts.  Oy!  I've always opposed the Democrats, but even I would hate to see that happen to their party.  Hopefully the Clintons wouldn't take that step, if it came to that.

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I don't think there's much of a legal foot to stand on there for Clinton.  BOTH states knew that if they held their Democratic primary on a date that was not chosen by the DNC, the votes would not count.  Period.  It didn't just come out of nowhere.  And it's not like they had a day or 2 to decide.  It was, IIRC, closer to 6 weeks.  And all Democratic candidates at the time were told to remove their names from the ballots.  Everyone did but Clinton, and Obama was too late in removing his name from FL (though he did make the request).

There is a push for a "do over" in those states.  Any and all votes previously cast for the Democratic nominees would be null & void and they'd be starting from scratch.  If anything, FL may be re-done, but MI may not.  Though it's "iffy" at best.  Of course, Clinton does not want the "do over", there's a good chance she may end up losing if that happens.  (FL polls have her very slightly ahead and MI polls have Obama ahead by quite a bit.)  She wants things to stand "as is", which is obviously to her benefit.

The best way to handle it is one of two ways:  Complete and total "do over", erase all other votes, and start over.  OR leave things as they are.  Any other way would be unfair to all involved, especially to those who had no opportunity to vote for Obama in MI.  Then we'd start talking about disenfrachised voters, etc.

IMO, the only good, honest and fair way for all involved (voters and candidates alike) is to have new elections in FL & MI and erase anything that happened before.  Let the people talk, but give them their "full voice of opinion".  Not just what Clinton wants currently.

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Can they do it over again completely, but this time, no commercials?
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Of course, Clinton does not want the "do over", there's a good chance she may end up losing if that happens.

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What, may I ask, are you basing this on?  News reports are indicating quite the opposite: that the Clinton camp is in favor of a" do over" while it's the Obama camp that's not supporting the idea.


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The Michigan governor, top officials in Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign, and Florida's state party chair all are now saying they would consider holding a sort of do-over contest by June.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080306/ap_on_el_pr/primary_scra mble_19;_ylt=AnOwzt.GT322gNExR3sQnWph24cA

It seems to be the Obama camp that is unwilling to risk a "do over" even if it means depriving millions of people in two states their democratic voice.

 

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I have to say I am a bit surprised to see so many people confident on McCain´s victory.  Looking in from outside, it´s kinda hard to see how he can stand a chance.
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From inside, it's at least somewhat easier to see.
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Looking in from outside, it´s kinda hard to see how he can stand a chance.

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Polls are indicating, at this point, that either Obama or Clinton would defeat McCain in a general election -- Obama by a somewhat larger margin.  Of course polls this far in advance are all but meaningless.
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More recent (but still meaningless)polls give McCain an ege over Hillary, and a few have it a toss-up, at best, with Obama.

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I think it'd pretty undemocratic if Michigan and Florida were excluded. I think a do-over is the fairest solution.

I hope Obama wins but if Hillary does I think Obama should get VP (it'd be a good position to launch another bid for president). However, that would break a common notion in relation to VP: never pick a VP who will outshine you!

Irish news has little interet in the other side. I'll say one thing about McCain though: he LOOKS like a president. I'm wondering who his running mate will be.

Whatever the result, it'll be a first: African American, woman or oldest to be elected.
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Some little newspaper in County Limerick (McCain's ancestral home) endorsed him, simply because he's a 'country cousin'.

 

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Ah Bloody Hell!

All three have Irish ancestry as far as I know. (I know Obama does).

No reason to endorse someone.

A bad candidate with Irish connections is still a bad candidate.

(I'm not saying McCain is a bad candidate).
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What, may I ask, are you basing this on?  News reports are indicating quite the opposite: that the Clinton camp is in favor of a" do over" while it's the Obama camp that's not supporting the idea.

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No, what the Obama camp is against is seating the delegates "as is" or splitting them in some way.  Why would either candidate give the other the edge any way?  Right now the edge is for Clinton since she literally ran unopposed in MI.

However, it's very unlikely either state legislature would allow a "do over" anyway as it'll cost their taxpayers millions.  Right now, the DNC's money is tied up into the convention and mounting a fight against the Republicans this year.  So if there is any sort of "do over", the states will need to pay for them and they're balking.

If they had only followed the rules, none of this would be an issue.

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Posted: 06 March 2008 at 4:10pm | IP Logged | 12  

Now that McCain has the nomination, is Ann campaigning for Hillary now?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Fyp0NQB33U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJ0GgPpU6Bs&feature=relat ed

This was the first and last I'd heard of this.

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