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Brian Miller
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You're thinking of Ultimate Tony Stark.
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Matt Reed
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Huh? That's not any Tony Stark I've read and I'll hazard a guess that it's no Tony Stark our resident Shell Head fan, Roger Ott, has read for an extended period of time either. I think it's only been a recent take that Tony Stark is a jerk. Sure, he was prior to his time in Vietnam (or wherever he is supposed to have been now) but, much like the transformation Stephen Strange went through, Tony changed as well. That's always been my read on the character, with a few notable exceptions like his downward spiral while drinking.
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Rob Hewitt
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I often had issues with Tony. He was a jerk with Captain America with the whole Armor Wars/shield thing like above. He was a jerk about Operation Galactic Storm. He was a jerk with Force Works. He was a jerk when he came back and they all knew he was Tony but he denied it. He was a jerk with the whole Kang messed with his mind thing.
Sheesh! Maybe that is why I was always on and off about his comic!
Lately he has been much better though!
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Matt Reed
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I agree that there was a ten year stretch where Tony was written as a jerk to just about everyone around him, including Captain America, and I never bought it. That wasn't the Tony Stark I read growing up and it certainly wasn't the Tony Stark of the Micheline or Byrne runs. It grew to absurd proportions during the Bob Harras run on AVENGERS when it was "revealed" that Tony had been manipulated by Kang nearly since the inception of the team. Ugh. Sadly, the Ultimate Universe, as Brian rightly notes above, has picked up on all the worst traits of the character during that time and made him a total unredeemable jerk.
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Mike Bunge
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"Civil War looks to bust up the relationship between Marvel heroes."
I read someone, maybe on this forum, who said the problem with Mark Waid is that he writes super-heroes and super-villains like they all belong to the same club. This sounds like more of the same.
Mike
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Jason Fulton
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You mean Mark Millar.
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Jason Fulton
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re: the new Spider-Man costume - looks kind of....Spider-Man-ish. I mean, it has a spider on it, so they got that much right.
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Rob Hewitt
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I agree that there was a ten year stretch
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The problem for me is that ten year stretch occurred in my first 10-12 years of reading comics. Not that he wasn't heroic, but I guess I always took Cap's side over his.
That and inconsistent creative teams and IMO some subpar villains/supporting cast took some of the buzz out of Iron Man for me, at least for a number of years.
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James C. Taylor
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Nothing about being a hot shot, a weapon designer, a billionaire, or a playboy means you're ipso facto a jerk.
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Rob Hewitt
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You almost described Donald Trump!
Kidding.
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Thanos Kollias
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I never really liked Tony Stark. I don't think he was a jerk, but there were a lot of negative things about him. For example I think that his dating the Wasp during Hank Pym's time in jail was VERY wrong and unforgiving. I have really enjoyed a few Iron-Man stories in both his title and the Avengers though, and that kind of balances my relative dislimke of the man under the costume. Currently the writers have emphassized mostly on his bad traits, unforunately and that's bad.
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Joe Zhang
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From the Geoff Johns board:
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