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Andrew Bitner
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That sounds like a very cool page, and definitely a good time to use a dialogue device like "As you know, Shayera, Earth is still a young and turbulent planet..." or something similar.
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Eric Kleefeld
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Ian Palmer:I've always assumed the crossover idea is to encourage people to buy issues of the other titles when they wouldn't have normally. If the other title's any good, they might continue to buy it; if it's not, it's a one-off boost. Is the extreme frequency of crossovers now an indication that there's not a longterm effect (the books don't retain the extra readers)? ==================== It could also be an indication that the books stink.
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Andrew Bitner
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Me: Most of the time, readers will pick up what they need to know as the story goes along.
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You know, I used to actually believe that -- until I did GENERATIONS. Then the internet swelled with people complaining that they were "confused" by the decade and century "jumps" in the story. "X and Y weren't married last issue! What happened???"
Er..... they got married?
sigh
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Perhaps this is further evidence that we live in an era where the average attention span approaches that of a fruitfly. Maybe we need Reading Comics for Dummies.
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John Byrne
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And somewhere a lightbulb just appeared over Scott
McCloud's head!
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Andrew Bitner
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LMAO!
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John Byrne
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"How do you make a dead baby float?"
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I shouldn't laugh, but my god, that was one funny
joke...
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I have a great fondness for jokes that automatically
make you a bad person if you laugh!
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Andrew Bitner
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Re: the dead baby joke-- that makes me a bad person.
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Jeremy Nichols
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JB: "I have a great fondness for jokes that automatically
make you a bad person if you laugh! "
----would that then make you Bad Byrne all the time, by
definition?
Edited by Jeremy Nichols on 30 November 2005 at 3:21pm
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Clay Adams
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JB: You know, I used to actually believe that -- until I did GENERATIONS. Then the internet swelled with people complaining that they were "confused" by the decade and century "jumps" in the story. "X and Y weren't married last issue! What happened???"
Er..... they got married?
I think this is hangover from "decompression" - readers these days are used to having Every. Single. Thing. Drawn. Out.
The reader filling in the gaps on their own seems to be a lost art. I mean, "X and Y" getting married should've been a six-issue arc, at least!
Edited by Clay Adams on 30 November 2005 at 3:24pm
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JB: Your original point (which seems to have been lost in the thread drift) and your response to the troll makes me wonder if you're becoming more open to finishing "Next Men." Any hope?
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James C. Taylor
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The Local Evening News Paradox, or why continuity and / or a shared universe probably shouldn't work the way fans want it to.
It seems to me the rationale of the spillover position is that "Something that important to Captain Fonebone would have to impinge upon the world of Lola Liana." To counter that, I offer you the evening news.
Usually there is more than one story on the evening news involving more than one person, usually both within a metro area. However, the likelihood of any one person in one story even knowing any other person in the second story is just about nil.
There is a bank robbery on the east side and a fire on the south side, but even if the cop and fire fighter knew each other personally, the most either would know was his or her part of their particular story until they saw the evening news, and by then the story is over.
Even in a large cataclysm such as the hurricane in New Orleans, each person's story was their own and the hurricane became a kind of "red sky crossover".
So I can have seventy super heroes in the greater New York area without a problem. Then again, I was a DC fan first.
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>>JB: You know, I used to actually believe that -- until I did GENERATIONS. Then the internet swelled with people complaining that they were "confused" by the decade and century "jumps" in the story. "X and Y weren't married last issue! What happened???"
Er..... they got married?
I think this is hangover from "decompression" - readers these days are used to having Every. Single. Thing. Drawn. Out.
The reader filling in the gaps on their own seems to be a lost art. I mean, "X and Y" getting married should've been a six-issue arc, at least!<<
Yet amazingly, any continuity/characterization/story flaw from a "Hot" writer, the fans can twist themselves into pretzels explianing why it isn't a flaw with death defying leaps of logic. which leads me to belive, those who don't get the simple things like this from Generations, are those who don't WANT to get it just so they can SAY there is a flaw. It's said one should not contribute to malice what can be explained by ignorance -- but i don't nessisarily see that as an either/or situation.
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