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Victor Rodgers Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 26 December 2004 Posts: 3508
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Posted: 30 November 2005 at 12:02pm | IP Logged | 1
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Victor...you seem to miss my point...in the midst of a THOR story, having Spider-Man swing by in the background, even even showing a panel of him just for the sake of showing SPIDER-MAN is a distraction from the THOR story being told.
Clear?
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I didn't say Spidey should show up in Thor. Just that a minor reference to Asgard being in Manhattan could be made in in an issue of Amazing Spider-Man.
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John Byrne
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Joined: 11 May 2005 Posts: 134808
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Posted: 30 November 2005 at 12:04pm | IP Logged | 2
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I enjoyed Man of Steel, but I don't know it I'd give it to say- a seven year old (eight year old-certainly), which prevents it from being All Ages. The two best examples of scenes slightly inappropriate for younger readers were Magpie's Happy Birthday gag, and Lex offering a woman a million dollars to be his for the month (although I should note that he never said what he woudl do to her.) These scenes were less excessive than those in most superhero comics published since then (and probably most manga too) but I wouldn't call the books "All-Ages" (unless "all-ages" refers to ten and up.)***** So we're picking nits just to pick nits, yes? Why on earth would you point out something as "not all ages" and then point out exactly why you're wrong? I repeat, with emphasis, bullshit.
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Rob Hewitt Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 11 May 2004 Location: United States Posts: 10182
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Posted: 30 November 2005 at 12:07pm | IP Logged | 3
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Should I feel stupid for not remembering the Happy Birthday gag?
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John Byrne
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Posted: 30 November 2005 at 12:08pm | IP Logged | 4
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JB could have Batman swinging around in various exterior shots in BotD, but they are unecessary and would take people OUT of the story that he is telling.***** When Jean Grey went "dark" as Phoenix, I threw in a quick row of panels of characters I thought should be "aware" of this event. Doctor Strange, Spider-Man, the Silver Surfer, all kinda turned to the camera and went "Huh?" Unfortunately, Chris gave the Surfer a speech about "sensing a kindred spirit" and how he must "go to her" -- and to this day people still ask why that "story" was not published!! (It almost was. I planned to do is as an XHY annual, if we ever got one.)
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Rob Hewitt Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 11 May 2004 Location: United States Posts: 10182
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Posted: 30 November 2005 at 12:10pm | IP Logged | 5
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That would have been neat. Oh well.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 30 November 2005 at 12:12pm | IP Logged | 6
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Should I feel stupid for not remembering the Happy
Birthday gag?
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Not at all. It was minor beyond measure. Magpie shoves a stick of dynamite in the mouth of one of her goons who needs to be "punished", as her other goons cry "No, Boss! Not 'Happy Birthday'!" It was freely lifted from an old Warner Bros. cartoon. In that case, it was Sylvester the cat, as I recall, who was on the receiving end. The explosion, there as in MoS, took place off-camera.Myself, tho, I think we should put a MATURE sticker on CASPER. It's about a dead baby for chrissake! Who would let kids read that!?! And don't even get me started on HOT STUF!!
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Eric Kleefeld Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 21 December 2004 Location: United States Posts: 4422
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Posted: 30 November 2005 at 12:13pm | IP Logged | 7
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And they say dead-baby jokes aren't funny...
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John Byrne
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Posted: 30 November 2005 at 12:14pm | IP Logged | 8
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How do you make a dead baby float?
Two scoops of dead baby and Coke.
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Mike Bunge Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 10 June 2004 Location: United States Posts: 1335
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Posted: 30 November 2005 at 12:47pm | IP Logged | 9
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"I have never had someone explain to me why it was important to them that an issue of Fantastic Four acknowledge the events in Iron Man."
For me, at least, it's all about suspension of disbelief. If you establish that Fantastic Four and Iron Man all take place in the same reality in, roughly, the same time period you should at least make some effort to consistently observe that fact.
Example, if Tony Stark hands over the job of Iron Man to someone else in his comic, Stark as Iron Man shouldn't show up in an issue of Fantastic Four unless there's some in-story or editorial explanation for that. Everytime something like that happens with no explanation, it pulls me out of the story. When Kang takes over and enslaves the entire planet and that goes on for months in AVENGERS, but every other comic based in the same reality and supposedly occuring at the same time ignores the whole thing, it's hard to emotionally invest in the AVENGERS storyline when every other comic you're reading is telling you that nothing going on there is really important.
Mike
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Mike Bunge Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 10 June 2004 Location: United States Posts: 1335
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Posted: 30 November 2005 at 12:50pm | IP Logged | 10
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"We, as fans, shouldn't EXPECT those references."
When a publisher makes those sorts of references a long-standing tradition in their books, long-time fans can have a reasonable expectation for those references to continue.
Mike
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Eric Kleefeld Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 21 December 2004 Location: United States Posts: 4422
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Posted: 30 November 2005 at 12:51pm | IP Logged | 11
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I think DC has less pressure than Marvel when it comes to this kind of stuff, because they don't have the vast majority of their characters all living in the same city. Why doesn't the Flash care about what's going on with Batman and his villains? Because the Flash is all the way over in Keystone City. The New York City of the Marvel Universe, on the other hand, is one crazy place to live.
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Rob Hewitt Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 11 May 2004 Location: United States Posts: 10182
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Posted: 30 November 2005 at 1:17pm | IP Logged | 12
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Magpie shoves a stick of dynamite in the mouth of one of her goons who needs to be "punished", as her other goons cry "No, Boss! Not 'Happy Birthday'!"
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Wow. I read that at 9 years old.
JB, I will be sending my psychiatrist's bill to you, should I incur any.
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