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John Mietus
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No, it's more like blaming the guy who made the first atomic weapon.
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Jason Fulton
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I wonder if Moore/Miller/JB carry some sort of Feynman-esque guilt over Watchmen/DKR/MoS ?
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Man of Steel certainly did not contribute to the darkening of mainstream
comic heroes.
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No, but it did make everyone want to 'go back to basics'.
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Your point, John, would implicate the editors who "greenlit" DKR and Watchmen more than Miller or Moore. They wer the last line of defense -- and if you're correct and those two creators poisoned the water with their out-of-continuity creations, then good sense and integrity on the part of the editors COULD have corrected the damage.
But it didn't, because they chose to go ever-farther down that path as if those books were blueprints for the future.
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Jason, I'm not getting your point. How is the "back to the basics" approach
that JB took with MoS related to the "let's take mature, dark comics like
Watchmen and DKR and use them as templates for stories with our general
audience mainstream characters?"
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MOS contributed to the sense that everything was up for grabs and every new creator should feel free to "put their stamp" on characters.
Unfortunately, too many creators felt their "stamp" should be a watery reflection of Miller or Moore.
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Mark, I agree with your point about the editors. And, ultimately, the
publishers.
In other words, everyone though the entire chain of command shares equal
responsibility.
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Yeah, that's where I was going with it.
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Mix one part of MoS/DKR/Watchmen, and five to six years later, you get...
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John M: In other words, everyone though the entire chain of command shares equal
responsibility.
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Well, I can't agree with that because I don't believe DKR shouldn't exist. I believe a wise editorial department could forever keep a separation between direct sales only "elseworld" stories for fanboys and regular "continuity" for mass marketing.
We are both, I would venture, idealists about our respective visions. Both yours and mine would lead to a healthier industry with a lighter tone.
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Theoretically, we did get that eventually -- thanks to Dark Knight, the
Elseworlds imprint was created, after all, and nowadays it carries that
imprint with it.
What distresses me is that everyone -- including Frank Miller -- took
DKR as the template for "how Batman should be," when it seemed to me that
the whole point of the story was "what Batman should not be."
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