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Troy Nunis
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| Posted: 15 October 2005 at 10:48pm | IP Logged | 1
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While the treatment of JB is shamefull, i have to say i'm not so disapointed because i wasn't too comfortable stepping back into the Superman books again after years and years being away, and indeed, will quickly move on out of the "Superman Family" -- But i very much want to see more JB and Gail Simone somewhere - and soon.
Given the Crisis, and the general shake ups coming, i'm not all that suprised creative teams are changing across the board, but it's still unfair to NOT let a creative team coming in that they're only gonna have a job for a few months.
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Anthony J Lombardi
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| Posted: 15 October 2005 at 11:03pm | IP Logged | 2
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I think it is disrespectful to John B. and Gail not telling them what the whole deal would be on Action but hey thats the nature of the beast. J.B. is DC planning on replacing you on Blood of the Demon ? Alvin if DC isn't then i'd say that his art isn't an indicator of why he is gonna be off of Action.
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Mark McConnell
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| Posted: 15 October 2005 at 11:12pm | IP Logged | 3
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I suspect it is the case that if a person is looking for something to fit their preconception, they will find that something, one way or another.
In my college days, I was part of the university student government. I would frequently get interviewed, or listen as other friends of mine were interviewed. Then a week later, I would read the interview in the student newspaper, and wonder HOW they got that from the interview.
I would read the quote, and it was word for word what I or my friend(s) had said. But it was interpreted totally different than how it was stated (at least from my POV).
Alvin uses this quote to support his statement that JB is conceited.
John Byrne wrote:
| The next team -- and I have no idea who they are -- could be folks you all want to see, or, at least, more people want to see than wanted to see Gail and me. Or they could be the worst team ever put on any title, but WIZARD will declare them 'HOT!' and the knuckle-draggers will lumber into their LCSs and buy multiples of multiples. |
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While I cannot read minds, so I can't be sure that this is how he got that interpretation, I suspect he was referring to the comment that WIZARD's ability to declare an artist/writer team HOT. I suppose if you look at it one way, you might see a resentful feeling that WIZARD should declare JB as HOT always. I look at it to mean that it doesn't matter who the team is, we need to wait, and make a decision based on our own personal preferences, not based on whatever the current industry "news" mag says.
Maybe I misinterpreted what Alvin is referring to, but it's the only thing I can find that might make someone expecting JB to be conceited feel he just proved it again.
Regarding the quality of JB's work? Now that you are here, Alvin, you should visit the gallery. There are some excellent pencil scans that you could look at to see how good or bad you think his art is.
Personally, every page I have seen these last two years and a half (since I joined) simply amazes me. And that from a guy who did not really enjoy the art on WW or Labrats.
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Orlando Teuta Jr
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I liked Simone's work on Villains United, and if it spins off as a
series after the big crisis, I wouldn't mind seeing JB and Gail teaming
up on that title.
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Mark McConnell
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| Posted: 15 October 2005 at 11:23pm | IP Logged | 5
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Oooh, I like that idea, Orlando.
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Trevor Colligan
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sorry everybody, i just got back from the hospital. apparently i was
hit the hardest from this bloodbath. i don`t have any arms anymore and
i`d rather not say how i`m typing now. pretty serious stuff.
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Trevor Colligan
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| Posted: 16 October 2005 at 12:12am | IP Logged | 7
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as for your comment dave,
"or whatever" dave (sob) and i thought you cared!
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Mark McConnell
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| Posted: 16 October 2005 at 12:24am | IP Logged | 8
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Sheesh Trev (or) is that one key at a time? Hunt and peck?
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Trevor Colligan
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actually, i just bash my head against the keyboard and hope i get the right keys what the whole no arms thing
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Mark McConnell
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Oh, so you type like me!
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John Byrne
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Trevor Michael Colligan: Its just that when people who have been rational about Byrne`s work on Spider-Man and say that it wasn`t as good, instead of going, "I`m sorry that you didn`t enjoy my retelling of Spider-Man`s origin" he`ll say, you didn`t like it because you didn`t get it!**** JB: Interesting turn of phrase -- criticism is "rational" but my suggesting otherwise is not? In any case, you are misquoting. What I have done, in response to many (not all) criticisms of my work on Spider-Man is point out that most of (not all) those criticisms clearly come from people who have not actually read the books in question. (This is profoundly different from "not getting it", unless you mean "get" in the sense of "purchase" or "obtain".) The bulk of criticism leveled against my Spider-Man work -- especially CHAPTER ONE -- contained complaints about dialog that was not to be found in the books, art "mistakes" that were not present, and altered scenes that were not, in fact, altered. "Everyone is entitled to their opinion" is a myth. Everyone is entitled to their informed opinion. Anything else is just verbal diarrhea.
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Andrew Paul Leyland
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Alvin said: "I stand by my statement that your current art is awful. I really like your work on X-Men, but the latest stuff has just been bad. It is my opinion, and, despite this being a Byrne worship site, I want to voice it."
Alvin, if you've looked at the pencil scans and still think the art is awful then fair enough. John's art just isn't to your tastes and that's fine. But if you haven't look at this months Action Comics and compare with the pencils. The pencils are beautiful, just wonderful and I think something is being lost in the translation from pencil to finished product - even in Blood of the Demon (my fave).
Regardless of taste I can't see how you can look at the pencils and claim the art is "bad" without backing up WHY it is "bad". Offer us some reasons, critical opinion maybe backed up with a professional reason why you think so (Erik Larson's stuff about the wheelchairs I will maybe pay attention to as Erik is a professional artist. I may not agree with him but he has years of being a pro to back up his critique). I don't think John, a pro of many years standing, would object to genuine artistic critique.
Andy
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