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John McMahon Byrne Robotics Member
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Joined: 21 September 2004 Location: Ireland Posts: 581
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More lines=better drawing!
Not familiar with the term 'DORT' Darragh.
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Gregg Allinson Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 4252
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| Posted: 30 September 2005 at 5:25pm | IP Logged | 2
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More lines=better drawing!
Not necessarily, but I still fail to see why this man cannot do more than four comics (with standard page counts for a mainstream monthly) a year.
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Andrew W. Farago Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 19 July 2005 Location: United States Posts: 4075
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| Posted: 30 September 2005 at 5:26pm | IP Logged | 3
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Knowing what lines to leave out can be just as
important as any other aspect of drawing. It took
Quitely years to refine his style to the point it is today,
and it's pretty easy to dismiss almost comic
illustration as "just a pile of lines" if you get right
down to it. Peanuts isn't automatically inferior to
Judge Parker because Schulz didn't use as many
lines as the other guy, is it? Has Rob Liefeld worked
harder at developing his craft than Alex Toth?
There might be any number of lines that didn't carry
over from the pencil stage to the inking/coloring
stage, and that city looks pretty detailed to me.
Quitely could very well have sketched out a hundred
covers that weren't quite right before hitting on that
image, too. The colorist has to fill the same amount
of space no matter how many lines Quitely lays
down, and the work was always intended to appear
in full color, so I don't get the whole "Quitely's
slacking off" argument at all.
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Darragh Greene Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 16 March 2005 Location: Ireland Posts: 1812
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DORT-speak is a term coined by Prof. Terry Dolan of UCD which has wide
media currency and relates to the particular accent and slang used by
certain Dublin southside teenagers and twenty-somethings despite the
fact that none of their parents ever spoke in that manner. Go to
'Annabel's' and you'll hear it all around you. *Shudder*
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Gregg Allinson Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 4252
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| Posted: 30 September 2005 at 5:39pm | IP Logged | 5
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Andrew, I'll say it again: the man draws four or less comics a year.
What justification is there for that? If each issue in question were 64 pages, I'd understand, but we're talking normal-sized comics. If he were hand-painting each panel, I'd understand, but he's not.
I'll put it this way: Art Adams came aboard The Authority to pinch-hit because Quitely was behind. Think about that: Art Adams had to bail him out.
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Andrew W. Farago Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 19 July 2005 Location: United States Posts: 4075
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Art Adams can actually knock out pages pretty quickly
when he wants too, but that's beside the point.
Not being privy to Frank Quitely's daily schedule, I
can't really say how much time goes into each page
that he draws, or how long it takes him to draw 22
pages. It takes him however long it does, and if you
want Frank Quitely drawing your book, that's the price
you pay. I'm going to assume that DC knows his
speed and that's why we aren't getting the first issue
of All-Star Superman until next month, since they
probably wanted him to get ahead of schedule and
avoid missing any shipping dates on the book.
If the book's solicited as monthly and he keeps his
monthly schedule, great. If it's solicited as
bi-monthly or every-six-weeks-ly
(month-and-a-half-ly?) and it stays on schedule,
great. If he falls behind, I'll still buy it, but that's
another discussion entirely.
The justification for Frank Quitely drawing four
comics a year is that he's Frank Quitely, and he's the
only one who draws like Frank Quitely. I'm sure he's
more aware than anyone that if he were to draw
faster, he'd make more money off of his comic book
work, but maybe he's a perfectionist. Maybe he's got
arthritis. Maybe he spend eight months working on
higher-paying gigs outside of comics. Maybe he's
been in prison for eight months. Maybe he's just
lazy.
Whatever the case, I just hope we can put to rest the
notion that the more lines an artist draws, the better
he is, the harder he works, and the more dedicated
he is to his craft.
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Gregg Allinson Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 4252
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Whatever the case, I just hope we can put to rest the notion that the more lines an artist draws, the better he is, the harder he works, and the more dedicated he is to his craft.
The way I look at it, any professional comic book artist working under normal circumstances should still be able to do about a page a day. In an average month, that basically means you can take weekends off and still get the job done on time. Of course, things are going to crop up- but that should mean a fill-in issue or two every year or two, not all the time.
As for "more lines=better artwork"...that really wasn't my intention. Of course I don't think that, say, Rob Liefeld is better than, say, Steve Rude. But if I'm looking at a hyper-detailed drawing or a painting, I can at least nod and say "OK, yeah, I can see where that might've taken more than a day to draw." If I'm looking at a very simple drawing by a person who has a track record of doing four or less comics a year, I have to wonder "So what's the hold up?" I really am interested in knowing what Quitely's deal is.
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John Byrne
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Joined: 11 May 2005 Posts: 135369
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Artists draw naturally at different speeds. I am fast, for instance, probably because as a kid I used to draw straight with ballpoint pen, so every line had to be the right line. As a result of this, I got into the habit of "seeing" the drawing very clearly in my head before I started working. In effect, I was "tracing" over the image my mind projected on the page. I still do this, working in pencil.Sergio Aragones, on the other hand, is a %#%@ing mutant, and makes me look like I'm carving roses -- out of granite -- with a toothbrush! Lord, the man is fast! But what matters, in the end, is not so much the pencil-to-paper speed, as the amount of time spent at the drawing board. I know lots of artists who are fast when they sit down and draw -- but getting them to the drawingboard is on parr with getting me into church. (It happens -- but not often!) That is where the production delays come from, mostly.
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Andrew W. Farago Byrne Robotics Member

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Sergio's incredible. If you ever get the chance to see
him on a quick-draw panel at a comic convention,
clear your schedule and watch him mop the floor
with absolutely everyone.
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Joe Zhang Byrne Robotics Member

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At the last Mid Ohio Con Mr Aragones did a doodle of Groo on a book for
me. He brought Groo to life in like two strokes, and I would have
missed it if I blinked.
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Eric Kleefeld Byrne Robotics Member

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Does Quitely do illustration work other than comics, or comics that we just
don't get over here, and therefore from our perspective we think he doesn't
do much?
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Thanos Kollias Byrne Robotics Member

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The preview art seems OK, I will try the book anyway, but Quitely draws
some of the ugliest superheroes I have ever seen. That's part of the
reason I didn't like New X-Men. Unfortunately, the other reason was
Morrison destroying the characters. Hope he doesn't do it wlth
Superman....
More after I have read the book itself.
On the art, it is true that the colorists job is more spectacular than
that of the artist, but I kinda like his panel layout and his
stroytelling, on which the colorist can have no effect.
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