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Matt Reed
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| Posted: 03 October 2005 at 6:45pm | IP Logged | 1
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Dave Farabee wrote:
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But it makes all the difference in the world that it isn't.
Art has different rules, like it or not. Bad artists that're slow don't get extra leeway. Good (or even just popular) artists that are...do.
Sometimes.
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Sure it is. When we get over this notion that artists should be pampered and given all the leeway in the world AND we should be happy with it no matter how long it takes to get in our hands, the industry will be a better place. Listen, if Morrison and Quietly want to do their own thing at their own company (or under a creator-owned imprint) then fine. Publish as many or as few issues as you want. But when you work at a mainstream superhero publisher like Marvel or DC, where it's been the norm for over 40 years to produce books on a schedule (be it monthly, bi-monthly or annually) then I'll be damned if I'm gonna support the bullshit Morrison is shoveling in the interview oft quoted here. In other words, if ALL STAR SUPERMAN ships to it's schedule, then I don't think any of us will complain save for differences in taste. If, on the other hand, ALL STAR SUPERMAN ships on time for the first two issues and then is delayed like many other books in recent years, then every single consumer has the right to complain and not swallow the old canard "art has different rules." That's an excuse, not an explaination.
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Eric Kleefeld
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If Quitely produces at a slow pace due to comics only being a side gig, fine.
In that case, DC should set a policy that he's only on minis, which in turn
must be mostly, if not entirely, completed before the first issue ships.
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Rob Hewitt
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Don;t forget that Quitely has not been the one making these comments, nor has he been late yet, so we shouldn;t judge too harshly (yes it is his collaborator, but....)
Edited by Rob Hewitt on 03 October 2005 at 7:18pm
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Rob Hewitt
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I thinkt too we should remember that, in the end, if DC had a real problem with it, it wouldn't happen. They'd either force him to be on time through penalties, put someone else on the book if he is late for an issue or two or not give him any work, taking the chance they would lose him to another company
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Andrew W. Farago
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Is meeting one's contractual obligations more
important than being a total fuck-off?
Man, I feel old. I remember when it mattered
that you actually did what you promised you would
do.
I haven't seen Quitely's contract, but he might very
well have it in writing that he's only producing six to
eight issues a year. Based on All-Star Batman's
six-or-so-weeks-apart shipping schedule, it's not
necessarily violating his contract if he doesn't
produce 22 pages a month. If DC signed him up for
a "whenever you can get it done" schedule, then he's
meeting his deadline, and that's their business. If
they signed him to a monthly comic, he should get it
done monthly.
Given his track record, it seems unlikely that he
promised them a monthly book, and there's probably
a bi-monthly shipping schedule to reflect that.
Hugh--deep breath, relax. Like I said above, for all
we know, Quitely *is* meeting the commitments he
set with DC and *is* being very professional in
fulfilling his contractual obligations. If his contract
doesn't say he's got to finish 22 pages a month, and
he's getting things done on a
slower-but-agreed-upon schedule, then he's being
professional but just not as quickly as other artists.
I really don't get the hostility toward Morrison's
harmless statement that fans of Quitely's art are
lucky that he's still doing comics instead of going off
and strictly doing the higher-paying gigs. We're lucky
that Frank Miller's still finding the time to do comics
and didn't leave the industry altogether when
Hollywood called. We're lucky that Neil Gaiman still
writes a comic book script every now and then.
We're lucky when Bruce Timm sits down and draws
an 8-to-22 page comic book story. We're lucky
whenever any creator that we like produces a new
comic book, aren't we? Seems like people are
reading too much into that statement to me.
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Joe Zhang
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"We're lucky
whenever any creator that we like produces a new
comic book, aren't we?"
No. They are lucky we fans are so dumb as buy their bull.
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Steve Merritt
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Dave-
That's the best Kordey picture I have ever seen in my entire life. Very pretty and very detailed. But I've got some X-treme X-Men books sitting around that look so much worse than that it is not even funny. I still think Quitely and 98% of what I've seen of Kordey is poor art. I know its popular to root for the under dog around this board, but I just can't agree with you on these two. Just my opinion though so don't sweat it.
As far as as storytelling goes, what the heck is going on in those two pages you posted?
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Joe Zhang
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"I really don't get the hostility toward Morrison's
harmless statement that fans of Quitely's art are
lucky that he's still doing comics instead of going off
and strictly doing the higher-paying gigs. "
Its a indication of how far behind Quietly is. Morrison is buying time
and making excuses for Quietly even before the first issue has come
out.
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Shaenon Garrity
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Nope, because:
One, he's the kind of artist who knows his abilities,
loves his work, and can do what he says he'll do
(and more importantly NOT take on what he CAN'T).
Two, He (or one of his cronies) doesn't come online
and tell the fans that they should be "SOOOOOO
thankful" that they are getting his table crumbs when
he finishes his "real work".
So Alex Ross gets a free pass to produce work on
any schedule he likes because he's a big fanboy
who dresses in superhero costumes every
Halloween and draws licensed characters wreathed
in heavenly light, and is therefore One of Us, but
when Frank Quitely works on the same schedule
he's pissing all over the True Fans because he's
some weird furriner who just wants to work with
Grant Morrison. Plus he makes the characters look
all non-badass and gay and stuff.
Huh. And I thought this board was generally
against giving special treatment to the "fan turned
pro."
As far as I can tell, Morrison's words are intended
as praise for an artist he admires very much, not as
an instruction for the rest of us to fall down in blind
worship. You dudes take this stuff way, way too
personally.
Anyway, others have pointed this out to no effect, but
this board has now been bitching for seven pages
about the potential future lateness of a book THAT
HASN'T COME OUT YET.
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Jason Fulton
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I wonder if Morrison would have that sort of 'fuck you' mentality if he was self-publishing?
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John Byrne
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So Alex Ross gets a free pass to produce work on any schedule he likes because he's a big fanboy who dresses in superhero costumes every Halloween and draws licensed characters wreathed in heavenly light, and is therefore One of Us, but when Frank Quitely works on the same schedule he's pissing all over the True Fans because he's some weird furriner who just wants to work with Grant Morrison. Plus he makes the characters look all non-badass and gay and stuff. ***** Where are you seeing this? Sure ain't here!
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Joe Zhang
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| Posted: 03 October 2005 at 8:29pm | IP Logged | 12
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When has Alex Ross ever been as unprofessional as Quietly?
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