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Michael Andrew Gonoude
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Quitely's Superman looks like a medium-sized sweatshirt stuffed with an extra-large helping...of oatmeal. And the faces he draws aren't big enough for the heads. And...somebody remind me again, why is it a good thing that Quitely is drawing this book? IS it a good thing?
Hey, I've just realized -- if you put glasses and a knotted handkerchief on Quitely's Superman** head, he becomes -- A GUMBY!*
*Monty Python-style, that is, not Art Clokey-style!
**Edited to clarify that it's Quitely's artwork, not his own personal appearance, that is potentially Gumby-like. Damn, my writing is rusty! In the old days, I never would have let that happen...come on, Mike, proofread! You...I'm talking to myself again, aren't I? The doctors warned me this would happen...
Edited by Michael Andrew Gonoude on 04 October 2005 at 8:36am
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Hugh Cherry
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And now..........we take the flowers, and arrange them
......in a vase....My Brain Hurts!
I always thought Quietly's Character's faces looked
like they were puckering up (either to kiss
somebody, or like they were preening in a mirror).
Anyway, This right here is the reason I have no
interest in the book:
He’s finished one issue and started on a second and so far I have to say it’s a Superman fan’s dream come true – imagine Michelangelo drawing the Man of Steel instead of wasting his time with all that Sistine Chapel nonsense. Even if it doesn't get published monthly, who cares ? It's genius. It's not like he ever wanted to draw American superhero comics anyway. It was me who talked him into it! He's a boho Glasgow Art School boy who gets big, prestigious commercial art gigs outside comics and he finds it impossible to work to comic book deadlines because they just don't suit his meticulous pace and never will. He has three kids and, quite rightly, he spends a lot of time with them and with his wife and family and friends when he's not behind his desk, so the way I see it, we Quitely fans should be thankful we get any goddamn comic books out of him at all. I'm the one who keeps goading him into doing this stuff when we all know he'll never do a monthly book. I reckon he'll manage bimonthly once he gets up to speed. What I can promise is that there will be no fill-ins or other artists working on All-Star Superman. It's me and Frank, to the glorious end.
If that is the case, Then WHY THE F@CK is he doing
comics?
I had an interest when I first heard about the series,
but after reading that, and finding out that I should be
so "goddamn thankful" that somebody who does not
have the ability to produce a monthly book, and has
to be pressured into this, expects me as a consumer
to wait patiently and eagerly for him to squeeze out
an issue in between his "real jobs", I lost interest
entirely.
There are enough good artists out
there who WANT to be in the business, who produce
quality work ON SCHEDULE, who don't need to have
their arms twisted to DO THEIR JOB. I'll stick with
them.
Edited by Hugh Cherry on 03 October 2005 at 5:08pm
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Andrew W. Farago
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Is getting the book on a monthly basis that much
more important than the final product, especially if
the book is probably solicited as a bi-monthly comic
anyway?
My take on the Morrison interview is that he talked an
artist friend of his into drawing comic books, his
friend was interested enough to do so, and they
started collaborating. Quitely found out that most
comic books were released monthly and decided to
fit projects into his schedule when possible. For
All-Star Superman, Morrison talked him into a
twelve-consecutive issue committment, the two
creators told DC that they'll do their best to get the
book out in a timely manner to accommodate
Quitely's other projects, and DC, THE PUBLISHER
OF THE BOOK, agreed to the terms they set, since
they really wanted another Morrison/Quitely book on
their schedule.
Simple as that.
All of DC's other Superman books are coming out on
a regular basis. They seem to regard this one as a
special project tied into a specific creative team, and
the speed of that team will affect how frequently the
book is published. Quitely's not able to meet all of
his other artistic commitments and put out 22 comic
book pages a month, apparently, and it looks like the
choice is "get the comics as Quitely completes them
or don't get Quitely comics," and DC is willing to work
with Quitely's erratic schedule, and yes, that means
we're lucky to be getting any comics at all from
Quitely.
Quitely WANTS to be in the business, he's producing
work ON (his) SCHEDULE and he's DOING HIS
JOB. What reason is there to get so pissed off that a
special, not-tied-into-other-DC-continuity project
might come out bi-monthly? Does Alex Ross's
bi-monthly Justice comic generate this kind of angry
response?
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Dave Farabee
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Edited by Dave Farabee on 03 October 2005 at 5:39pm
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John Byrne
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Is getting the book on a monthly basis that much
more important than the final product, especially if
the book is probably solicited as a bi-monthly comic
anyway?
******
Is meeting one's contractual obligations more
important than being a total fuck-off?
Man, I feel old. I remember when it mattered
that you actually did what you promised you would
do.
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Mark Haslett
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That is a funny interview. It's even funnier if you imagine it's some other occupation.
Imagine that was an interview about Mr. Quitely, the new sheriff: "He's just immaculate with his paperwork and (rightly) spends most of his time with his kids, so, naturally, we're lucky when we can get him to drive his black and white around at all. But if you've ever seen him get a collar, you know it's worth waiting for. Just hang in there, you'll be glad you did."
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Dave Farabee
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QUOTE:
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But it makes all the difference in the world that it isn't.
Art has different rules, like it or not. Bad artists that're slow don't get extra leeway. Good (or even just popular) artists that are...do.
Sometimes.
It's not one size fits all.
And whatever the case, the market will decide whether the wait is worth it (if indeed there is a wait - we're purely in the realm of speculation here).
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Mark Haslett
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Andrew W. Farago: "yes, that means
we're lucky to be getting any comics at all from
Quitely."
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No, it means we're getting comics from him. It doesn't make us lucky. His fans may feel lucky but it's a damned insult for the rest of us to be told by Morrison that we're "lucky" to have to wait.
This comic and its creator's attitudes need to be criticized -- because of it's all hype. Saying we're lucky this thing exists is hype. Saying the guy doesn't even like superheroes so that makes us twice as lucky is insane. The preview itself reveals the comic to be nothing spectacular -- making the hype all the more hilarious and sad.
We comic fans are something for buying this comic -- but I don't think it's "lucky."
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Dave Farabee
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| And...somebody remind me again, why is it a good thing that Quitely is drawing this book? |
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It's not rocket science: some folks like a less traditional approach, and Quitely delivers that with draftsmanship that's beyond reproach, whatever one might think of his particular visual aesthetic.
And y'know, I have to figure Neil Gaiman brought him onboard his final Sandman project, SANDMAN: ENDLESS NIGHTS, for a reason. Right? And those nutty cats over at the Will Eisner awards? They actually pinned a Best Penciller award on him (a tie with John Cassaday, interestingly).
Yep, it's official: some folks like Quitely's art.
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Hugh Cherry
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Andrew W. Farago wrote:
Quitely's not able to meet
all of his other artistic commitments and put out 22
comic book pages a month, apparently, and it looks
like the choice is "get the comics as Quitely
completes them or don't get Quitely comics," and DC
is willing to work with Quitely's erratic schedule, and
yes, that means we're lucky to be getting any comics
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OOHHH BOOOY!!!!
How LUCKY can I get!
And God knows I couldn't go on living If I don't get my
Quietly comics!
Andrew,
You are missing the whole point of what people are
trying to say about "professionals" not being able to
meet their job requirements. Either you are just that
dense, OR you are being stubborn.
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Nope, because:
One, he's the kind of artist who knows his abilities,
loves his work, and can do what he says he'll do
(and more importantly NOT take on what he CAN'T).
Two, He (or one of his cronies) doesn't come online
and tell the fans that they should be "SOOOOOO
thankful" that they are getting his table crumbs when
he finishes his "real work".
QUOTE:
DC, THE PUBLISHER OF THE BOOK, agreed
to the terms they set, since they really wanted
another Morrison/Quitely book on their
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and Hugh Cherry THE CONSUMER WHO MAY OR
MAY NOT BUY THAT BOOK can decide that I DON'T
have to take what's given to me, like it, and ask for
more please. As I said, after reading that interview I
lost any interest I had in buying that book, JUST from
Morrison's attitude.
I don't care if it only comes out once a year, and we
are all aware of that ahead of time.
Yes it IS that simple, but you don't seem to be able to
grasp that.
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Dave Farabee
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You might not like their respective styles, but I challenge you to dress down their draftsmanship or storytelling abilities:
Quitely:
Kordey:
These guys know their craft, and know it damn well. That they don't follow American traditions of glammed-up characters is a perfectly fine reason to say, "I don't care for their stuff," but it sure as shootin' don't mean they're bad artists.
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Dave Farabee
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It is interesting to see how offline personalities affect reader appreciation for their work. Obviously this has been a hot topic for Byrne, as he seems to be a lightning rod for fan gossip and attention. And I see lots of folks who have problems with Morrison here, though I read his jibba-jabba here and just think, "Yep, another crazy interview with Morrison having fun with his rock-star image. Fun!" But of course, I'm inclined to be forgiving because I like his work.
Certainly I'm not immune to offline personas affecting my appreciation of art. Someone mentioned Alex Ross, and anyone who's ever read his interviews knows the guy has an ego the size of the Chrysler Building and his opinionated ramblings can be...well, a little abrasive. Since I'm relatively lukewarm on his art, I can be annoyed enough at him that I find myself not keeping up with projects that just might interest me viewed completely objectively. And I know other folks who've dropped his books on seeing his political art (like the image of Bush as a vampire feeding on the neck of the Statue of Liberty)
It happens. Artist and art inescapably merge, much as the ideal says to keep them separate.
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