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Dave Farabee
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Hmm, I don't quite remember Gibbons being guest of honor, but I would've been less interested in him than Buscema, so his presence wouldn't have necessarily caught my eye. Anyway, it was about four or five years ago, and probably the Comicon where the public was getting its first glimpses of the JLA 'toon. I believe it took place just a few months prior to Buscema's death, maybe even a span of mere weeks.

Was definitely happy to've seen the brilliant old curmudgeon before we lost him.

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It was during that panel that I met Mr. Buscema and asked him if it was true that he "hated" drawing superheroes.  His response to me was that he thought the concept of superheroes was silly, that he couldn't relate to characters in capes and long underwear and that he preferred characters such as Conan and Tarzan whose actions and abilities were more relatable for him.

He emphasized that he didn't hate drawing, of course, and that he appreciated his career and the admiration of his fans.  He planned to be a commercial illustrator, doing pretty-girl art and advertising...but got sidetracked into a comics career and made a good living doing it.  Superheroes weren't his passion.  From our too-brief conversation, I did not get the impression that he held the industry or its readers in any contempt...

I, too, am so glad that I worked up the nerve to approach him!  He was more interested in my endeavors and encouraging me than he was in speaking of  himself and his influence on generations of artists.  Meeting him will always be a treasured memory.

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Ha, so that was you! Very cool, and I'm glad to know my memory of his response was in the ballpark.

I remember being a little disheartened that he didn't have more enthusiasm for the genre so many of his fans loved him for, but it's just the somewhat unfortunate reality of many older pros. I suppose it brings 'em closer to most working-class folks, though. How many people truly love their job? A minority, for certain, but people still find satisfaction in a job well done, in exercising their abilities, and in occasionally discovering areas of their job that provide true enjoyment (for Buscema, obviously, the CONAN material).

So maybe not so disheartening after all. Just a bit of reality.

It was a good question, Glenn. Kind of addressed that elephant in the room everyone had been tip-toeing around.

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Some of you seem stuck in that ON/OFF mode I find so annoying in some stratas of fandom -- if you don't ABSOLUTELY LOVE something, you must ABSOLUTELY HATE it. (How many times have I been asked what I think of Thus-and-Such a title, replied that I don't read it, and a short while later found people saying I "hate" it?) Buscema enjoyed (and encouraged) his reputation as a Big Grumpy Bear. Filter anything he says thru this, and the fact that no sane person constantly expresses himself in absolutes, and you will strike closer to how he felt.
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I can't wait for All-Star Superman*.


*Well, I can, obviously, and I'll probably have to wait a lot. But I don't really care, because it will be awesome .
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Back to the preview of "All Star Superman" can anyone point out to me the specifics of what's intriguing in this preview?  Aside from the relative attraction to the art, what is there worthy of anticipation? 

I'm already put off by the portrayal of Luthor -- so he's a deadly danger being given a chance/being exploited by a military organization, right?  But (no surprise, of course) he betrays them and goes after Superman.  This is tried and true and nothing wrong with that -- but the way they tell it should raise flags, shouldn't it?  The condescending military guy underestimates Luthor and comes down on him -- discovering that Luthor has tricked the military into building something that he could remote control all the way to the sun -- without them knowing -- and without them realizing Luthor's too dangerous to just walk up to?  I think by the time Luthor strangles that military guy we're into our fourth level of "been there done that." 
I'm obviously being critical, but does anyone want to point out to me why this go-round is so noteworthy?
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Looks like a fun story to me, with the classic Luthor/evil genius (like
a really sinister version of Gene Hackman) going all out in an effort
to destroy Superman. Hard to say where it's all going based on a
handful of pages, but since it's just a hint of what the whole thing's
going to be, I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss it just yet.
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I can understand that -- but by the same token I wouldn't be so quick to enthuse over it.

I would agree Luthor looks evil and smart (at least compared to everyone else we meet).  I would not call the presentation "classic." 

The preview I saw had 8 pages on it.  How long is the comic book?  25 to 30?  If you can't get a reader by the one quarter mark, you're pretty much not going to get him.
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Some of you seem stuck in that ON/OFF mode I find so annoying in some stratas of fandom -- if you don't ABSOLUTELY LOVE something, you must ABSOLUTELY HATE it.

I don't see that at all here. My initial post regarding Buscema said he had "no love" for superheroes. Glenn characterized Buscema as not having passion for superheroes. And the quotes we've found have had Buscema describing them as "silly" and saying things like, "Anything with super-heroes, I'm not interested."

I think our observations are pretty well backed by his comments, none of which were close to "absolute hate"...nor characterized as such.

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The preview I saw had 8 pages on it.  How long is the comic
book?  25 to 30?  If you can't get a reader by the one quarter
mark, you're pretty much not going to get him.


There's an audience that's going to get this book whether or not
they see the preview or not, and there's an audience that's
going to pass it up whether or not they like the preview, and
then there's the group that's deciding whether or not to get it
based on the preview. You weren't jazzed by the preview, but
some people will be, and I guess that's all there is to it. Some
people are also determined to hate the book sight unseen and
are looking for reasons not to buy it, the same as there are
people who are determined to like the book and can look at the
same preview and get excited about buying it.

The pages in the preview are setting up the story, but aren't
giving too much away. I'd rather see the start of Luthor's plan in
a short preview than get the absolute highlight of issue one
right off the bat. I think that people who were on the fence
about buying the book are going to be interested enough to
see the next stage of Luthor's plan, and will be pleased that DC
didn't give the whole plot away in the preview pages.
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No, I wouldn't expect or want that.  But 8 pages is a lot out of any comic, so if there's something that's awesome and worthy of major excitement in this comic, I'm sure it's there in this preview and I'm all for it -- I just can't see it.

The best I can venture is that the cool thing about this is kind of in the way it took 8 pages to say "Luthor really wants to get Superman this time." 


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 QUOTE:
Back to the preview of "All Star Superman" can anyone point out to me the specifics of what's intriguing in this preview?

What I like about it:

*The four panel origin sequence is perfect for me, both terse and mythic simultaneously. Great cadence. Way I see it, Superman's one of maybe two or three superheroes with whom the general public is familiar with their origin. And for 99% of regular comic readers, the origin's old hat. Why rehash it, I say. I like cutting to the chase, and that opening page is an instant momentum-builder.

*Very majestic splash page. We've seen Superman flying through stars, but this one's still a grabber.

*Vibrant color throughout. Very electric.

*Beginning in the middle of the action is a smart idea, and according to my brother, Ray Bradbury wrote a story about a manned mission to the Sun, so naming the ship after him is a neat Easter Egg tribute in the opening disaster sequence. And even invoking Bradbury's name might be a case of Morrison finding a keynote for the series. Bradbury's brand of humanistic sci-fi/fantasy seems quite appropriate for Superman I think.

*"I am death. Courtesy of Lex Luthor!" is a great line. Morrison's dialogue can teeter between embracing melodrama and pushing it to a place that's almost parodic, but even Stan did that sometimes and a good line's a good line. In fact, there's lots of good snippets throughout those pages, from exposition that gives us both Superman's power level and the danger level ("I know every cell in his body is a living solar battery...but the temperature at the solar chromosphere is 6000 fahrenheit."), to iconic pronouncements ("There can't be much time." "Nobody can help you here."), to terse character insights ("I'm getting older and...and he isn't.")

*I like seeing Superman struggling with skimming the sun. Even though this is ostensibly a pre-CRISIS Superman, I appreciate a little post-CRISIS vulnerability; this guy's gotta work!

*Really enjoy Lex's scene, specifically the pacing on it. Intercutting it with the chaos on the shuttle adds momentum and supervillain zeal to a final line that might otherwise seem blase: "...it's time to get serious about killing Superman."

What I don't like:

*The dialogue gets too Morrisonian at times. Phrases like "grown with zero fear genes" and "fear is the sauce on the steak of life" run the risk of derailing suspension of disbelief because they scream "Morrison" more than "Superman." I'm not wholly anti-auteur, though, even when it comes to licensed properties. Tim Burton's BATMAN intrigued, as Burtony as it was, and icons like Superman and Batman seem to handle the approach much better than characters who've always been characterized one way specifically (Wolverine, say, or Spider-Man).

*Even though I love Quitely's art, yes, his facial expressions take a little getting used to. Superman does looks a little weird in that last panel, at the angle he's shown. But I know from experience with NEW X-MEN that what seems strange in the midst of a few isolated pages becomes wholly appropriate when one immerses oneself in Quitely's style. Bit like Kirby, broadly. You look at a Kirby face with no context, and everyone's a brute. In the context of page after page of his art, though, you learn to read his motifs, see the subtleties within them.

*Supes' crotch-sheen is a little creepy. Hope it ain't quite so noticeable in the final printing.

Dave

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