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Thomas Mets
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Posted: 01 October 2005 at 6:44pm | IP Logged | 1  

All I know is, if I miss a deadline at work, there's hell to pay and I may not get another shot at a deadline. I make it a point of personal pride to do what it takes to honor my committments. And I can understand my bosses and customers for being upset about missed deadlines.

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This is a cruel thing to say, but I believe it's safe to say that you'll be easier to replace than John Cassady, Frank Quitely, JH Williams, Brian Hitch, Steve McNiven, or another well-regarded routinely late artists.



JQ: Yes, we’re always addressing the problem of lateness, it is a never-ending battle in the world of comics, but I have to admit that this is really beginning to be one of those played out topics on the ‘net as if this is the first time in the history of comics that comics have been late.

Look, I’m not trying to excuse lateness, but the ‘net acts like this is something new. We can go back to the days of Image when those books shipped irregularly, or when you had to wait months and months between issues of Watchmen and even worse, the issues of The Dark Knight Returns (most people don’t remember anymore).

Or how back in the day - yes the glory days as some people like to remember them - if a title was going to be late, rather than miss a month Marvel would insert a reprint story. Late comics will always be something that we will have to deal with. Some months will be better than others, you just do what you have to do to try to keep the plates spinning.
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While I have immense respect for what Queseda's done for Marvel, I think he forgets that the latenesses of Watchmen, The Dark Knight Returns did not affect other books. Ozydamius did not appear as the villain in a JLA story, spoiling his role in Watchmen #10.



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Robbie Moubert
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One lingering question I have is why "Frank Quitely" uses a pen name on his
comic work, and how Vincent Deighan came up with the name.

Quite Frankly, I have no idea.

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Speaking of how lateness affects characters, what I find "interesting" is to
see someone like, say, Captain Marvel, tied up in someone's project for two
years with nary a comic in sight.
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Thomas Moudry
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I was looking forward to that Captain Marvel project...

...until I began to realize that I may never actually see it.

Now, I couldn't care less.



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JB speaks of fans-turned-pro -- the irony is that Quitely is apparently not a fan-turned-pro -- hence Morrison's comments about how it's not his main goal in life to do American superhero comics.

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It would be difficult to make my statement "ironic" under the best of circumstances. Since I spoke to the general state of the industry, and not Quitely in specific -- he seems more a symptom than a cause -- there is no "irony" at all.

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Speaking of how lateness affects characters, what I find "interesting" is to see someone like, say, Captain Marvel, tied up in someone's project for two years with nary a comic in sight.

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Not going to name names here, so don't bother guessing, since I will neither confirm nor deny -- but not long after I started work at Marvel I pitched a series using some existing characters and a specific title. I was told I could not use that title as another artist had a project "in the works" that was already using it. It's now about 30 years later, and that other artist's project has yet to appear.

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Wayne Osborne
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"If I don't produce, my students don't get what they need, and they're
ill-prepared. If I don't produce, my school's scores go down, and we
lose federal and state funding. This supports your comics-as-
luxury-items comparison.


However, If I don't produce as a teacher, I get fired--tenured or not.
Pretty much affects my income.


The professional artist has a profession, and s/he should honor it by
respecting deadlines, employers, consumers, etc"

Yeah, but, Thomas - what if you told the principal that you were
growing educational roses and that process takes time. So what if
you only taught them 60% of the curriculum? If it was a quality 60%,
I'm sure he'd understand. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if he
named you to Wizard's Hot Teacher of the Year list and gave you a
raise.

Pathetic, truly pathetic.

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Jacob P Secrest
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I tried to use "growing roses" on my Latin teacher, needless to say, it did
not work.
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Rob Hewitt
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You know what, plenty of kids get out of school w/o learning any skills so I  am not sure that is the best example. By me, absent molesting or hitting a kid, they can't get fired once they have tenure.

We had several teachers even when I was in school who were clearly coasting. One math teacher they had to move up next to the office on the 2nd floor-all other math teachers were on the 1st. he taught there at least 5 years next to the office, with no control over the kids.  They all got good grades, but were not prepared for the next level.

And I don;t know how many days in english class were spent watching movies.

Most teachers are very dedicated of course, but it is hard to get the non-performing ones out!



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Jacob P Secrest
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My Geometry teacher in 9th grade had an annoying obsession with
Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory, and he showed that quite a
few times in class, so much, he had to rush at the end to meet curriculum
(keep in mind, I'm going to a college prep High School, the 716 best
school in the country).
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We watched it in 6th grade.  Of course even then some kids were too "old" for Willy Wonka.

Just like at 11, I was too "old" to have a Spider-man t-shirt and read the comics.

According to the kids at school. Heck, I was just starting to read them!

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You're never too old for immaturity.
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