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Matt Reed
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Eric Kleefeld wrote:
I'll put it very bluntly: the reason manga has
beaten the pants off American
comics is because it's better and appeals to more people. I'll take a single
Crying Freeman over a thousand stories like "Sins Past." Even their
immature wanking material is better than ours.
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Not true. Not even true in the least. Manga is just like
everything else. It has its great stories and it has it's
tripe. It does not, however, inherently have stories that are
terrible but better than the worst that American comic companies
produce. That sounds incredibly elitist to the extreme.
Manga is what it is, just as American superhero comics are what they
are. A reader either likes them or not, but one is not "better
than" another simply because it is produced in the Manga style.
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Hugh Cherry
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nevermind.......just in a Cranky mood today.
Edited by Hugh Cherry on 30 August 2005 at 11:07am
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Jon Godson
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Only children make fun of things they don't like.
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What planet are you living on?
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Brian Miller
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Planet Mango, of course.
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Jon Godson
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Planet Mango! THAT will be the name of my new nightclub! Yes!
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Dave Phelps
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Eric:
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| I'll put it very bluntly: the reason manga has beaten the pants off American comics is because it's better and appeals to more people. I'll take a single Crying Freeman over a thousand stories like "Sins Past." Even their immature wanking material is better than ours. |
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Not necessarily. It's just that the companies bringing over the stuff to translate are basically picking the cream of the crop from the last 30 or however many years. There's plenty of crap Manga. It's just that we don't get to see it.
You do have a point about the "appeals to more people," though. Not necessarily because of quality, but because different books are designed to appeal to different audiences in a way that the majority of "major" American titles don't.
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Jon Godson
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You do have a point about the "appeals to more people," though. Not
necessarily because of quality, but because different books are designed to
appeal to different audiences in a way that the majority of "major" American
titles don't.
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My art students love Manga and Anime and for the life of me, I don't see the
appeal.
I'm starting to feel old and out of touch.
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Steve Lieber
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A couple of pages back, John M. wrote:
" I'm very concerned about the state of the industry that provides
that medium to us, because it's not very effective.
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And I should note that this I agree with completely. We need more and
better comics specialty stores. I don't think cartoonists can do
much to help here. The only way to fix things that I can see would have
to come from Diamond and the larger publishers- some sort of program to
make it easier to open comic shops in underserved areas, and to help
new owners over the hurdles that can kill a struggling new business.
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Steve Horton
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Hey Steve,
There is a comic book retailer's association thing starting up that's supposed to (eventually) provide help to new, start-up comics stores, like a first cash register and so on. I hope that gets going soon, because I've heard stories about how difficult it is to start up a new store through Diamond. Their terms are awful for new stores and continue that way for the first six months or more.
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Pedro Bouça
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Dave Phelps wrote:
| Not necessarily. It's just that the companies bringing over the stuff to translate are basically picking the cream of the crop from the last 30 or however many years. There's plenty of crap Manga. It's just that we don't get to see it. |
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To be fair, I think that you guys are getting the crap manga right now. Lots and lots of great manga from the past are unpublished on the US (most of Tezuka's output, for example, and almost all of Taniguchi's). When that is published on the US, you'll see how good manga may be!
Edited to fix the quote.
Edited by Pedro Bouça on 30 August 2005 at 11:16am
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David Blot
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Pedro B : "To be fair, I think that you guys are getting the crap manga
right now. Lots and lots of great manga from the past are unpublished on
the US (most of Tezuka's output, for example, and almost all of
Taniguchi's). When that is published on the US, you'll see how good
manga may be!"
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I didnt know Taniguchi work was not avalaible in US. Me being a total
ignorant in manga, I read it ! This & Akira and that's it. I have to say my
father who is 73 years old actually loved Taniguichi's work. Never been
able to make him open a super hero comic book in all these years...
When I think of it , does that say a lot or no ?
Edited by David Blot on 30 August 2005 at 4:29pm
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Jeff Gillmer
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From a page or so back...
"So, the question is: do we want the industry to cater to us, the aging fanboys, or to younger readers who can keep the medium alive in the long term?"
Well, as long as today's comic editorial leaders are acting more like the aging fanboys than professional publishers, I don't think things are going to change anytime soon.
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