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Zaki Hasan Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 June 2005 at 4:56pm | IP Logged | 1
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Here's a balanced look at BATMAN's performance since its premiere, taking the good with the bad. Some hightlights:
The $150 million production marks the first Batman
movie to bow on a Wednesday compared to the Friday June launches of the
previous four. Its $72.9 million five-day gross tops Batman Forever's
$66.3 million from 1995 as a franchise high but trails by 25 percent in
terms of the number of tickets sold (due to ticket price inflation). Batman Begins'
grosses include a simultaneous IMAX release, which broke the five-day
opening record with an estimated $3.16 million at 55 venues.
"I think people love the character, and it's been eight years since the franchise unfortunately took a negative turn [with Batman and Robin]," Warner Bros.' head of distribution Dan Fellman told Box Office Mojo. "It took the vision of a filmmaker like Christopher Nolan
to bring it back, with a great script and cast. We're well positioned
moving forward with the summer. We're going to have a first week of $85
million, and [Batman and Robin] had $59 million. That's enough to bring Batman back for a sequel."
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Moviegoers polled by CinemaScore gave Batman Begins an "A," while Fellman said it was rated the best of all the Batman
movies in Warner Bros.' exit polling. The studio's surveys further
indicated that 57 percent of moviegoers were male and 54 percent were
over the age of 25. While stats like these are encouraging, they don't
necessarily assure lasting appeal, as the makers of the fizzling Cinderella Man can attest after that picture's high audience marks, and Batman Begins, with its super-saturation release, is generally the kind of movie people rush to see, not discover down the road.
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Banking on a public perception of quality and indirect competition from next weekend's Herbie: Fully Loaded, Bewitched and Land of the Dead, Batman Begins hopes to defy current trends with a strong hold in its second weekend.
On the subject of CINDERELLA MAN and its
inexplicable divebomb trajectory, I wonder how much of an impact
Russell Crowe's infamous phone-throwing incident after the film's first
weekend had on its lack-of-legs. Jeffrey Wells postulates this as a key component in the collapse of a film that otherwise had everything going in its pedigreed favor.
Maybe as long as Christian Bale doesn't lob any sort
of communication device at anyone over the course of the next week, the
movie is safe... :-)
Edited by Zaki Hasan on 20 June 2005 at 5:01pm
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Glenn Greenberg Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 June 2005 at 4:59pm | IP Logged | 2
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Mike Sawin wrote:
Leroy said, And what
would be wrong with a more kid-friendly Batman
movie?
Oh, come on Leroy! Everyone knows that
kid-friendly movies never ever EVER make money!
Oh, no. That's crazy talk, you know!
And besides, crazy ninja Batman is just much
more interesting than any other incarnation of
Batman. It's more realistic, you know. And we just
have to have realism in our fantasy.
Crazy ninja, secret-assassin society Batman is so
much more believable, so much more mature than a
guy who overcomes grief and tries to help people by
using his wealth, talent and intellect to help
people.
Sheesh! The next thing you know, Leroy will want
Batman to team up with a kid or something! How
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Is this tone really necessary?
Look, I hope you have a great time re-watching the
Schumacher movies, complete with bright colors,
gadgets, a friendly Batman who has a Bat-credit
card, and cracks one-liners like "It's the car, right?
Chicks dig the car."
Because THAT'S what the suits consider
"kid-friendly."
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Paul Greer Byrne Robotics Security
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Posted: 20 June 2005 at 5:13pm | IP Logged | 3
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In the rare Hollywood film where the hero doesn't kill the villian and contains no sexual overtones. We still have the distant voices claiming that the movie wasn't kid friendly. Kids love ninjas. I know I did as a kid.
Edited by Paul Greer on 20 June 2005 at 5:15pm
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Mike Sawin Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 June 2005 at 5:14pm | IP Logged | 4
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I hope the Bat-franchise goes big boffo bucks. I'll see every film, and I think Bale did a great job.
But I wish to god the movie was kid-friendly. Say what you want about the Batman TV show, but I was a kid back then, and I thought Batman was cool. The show was silly, but I never thought Batman was -- and neither did my friends.
This Batman movie is not intended for kids at all -- and I have to ask where tomorrow's fans are coming from. We don't need to make stupid, cheesy movies to appeal to kids. I think of Batman: TAS, The Iron Giant, The Incredibles, as good stories that hold on to the flavor of the comics and still appeal to kids. So did the first couple of Superman movies. I also dug The Rocketeer and a lot of other movies -- too many to mention here.
I don't prefer the Joel Shumacher Bat-movies to the latest one. In fact, I think this is a great movie. It's just not the way I would go if I were making the decisions.
My hope is that this is so wildly successful that someone out there will make a good superhero movie that would appeal to movie goers of all ages. It's been shown time and again that the movies that consistently make the most money are the ones that everyone can watch.
And finally, please don't lecture me on tone...I believe that my point was made and I didn't attack anyone.
Edited to fix stoopid typo.
Edited by Mike Sawin on 20 June 2005 at 5:17pm
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Glenn Greenberg Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 June 2005 at 5:28pm | IP Logged | 5
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One simple question to you is a lecture?
Edited by Glenn Greenberg on 20 June 2005 at 5:34pm
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Chris Jones Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 June 2005 at 7:40pm | IP Logged | 6
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Mike Sawin wrote:
This Batman movie is not intended for kids at all -- and I have to ask where tomorrow's fans are coming from. We don't need to make stupid, cheesy movies to appeal to kids. I think of Batman: TAS, The Iron Giant, The Incredibles, as good stories that hold on to the flavor of the comics and still appeal to kids. |
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I gotta disagree with you here, as a father of 3 kids I don't think these 3 movies are all that kid friendly either, Batman the animated series and especially Mask of the phantasm "the best Batmovie IMO" are very violent and there are some adult themes to deal with for young kids MOTP shows some real scary death scenes and my boys still haven't seen it, They've seen most of the BTAS and Iron giant and Incredibles but Iron giant had cussing in it which I thought was pointless and Incredibles has some scenes that are really violent and the violence against the kids themselves is kindof extreme.
Theres pretty much nothing for kids nowadays unless it's the cotton candy PBS crap.
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Mike Sawin Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 June 2005 at 10:00pm | IP Logged | 7
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Okay...I'll play along.
Where are the comics fans of tomorrow going to come from, if we don't get them now?
If you don't like my picks for kid-friendly movies, that's great. But the queston remains.
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James C. Taylor Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 June 2005 at 10:08pm | IP Logged | 8
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Mike Sawin wrote:
Where are the comics fans of tomorrow going to come from, if we don't get them now?
If you don't like my picks for kid-friendly movies, that's great. But the queston remains. |
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Frankly, I disagree with the assertion that this movie isn't kid
friendly. No, it isn't Honey Bunch Goes to the Circus, but good
wins in the end, I don't recall any swearing, Bruce is upbraided for
property damage, and there are cool fights and cool scenery.
It's not a kid's movie, but there are movies I would worry about a kid watching a whole lot more than this one.
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Eric Kleefeld Byrne Robotics Member
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Chris Jones
...and Incredibles has some scenes that are really violent and the violence
against the kids themselves is kindof extreme.
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So presenting a villain who wants to kill younger people automatically makes
something kid-unfriendly nowadays? So much for the Grimms' Fairy Tales.
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Andrew Hilsmann Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 June 2005 at 10:33pm | IP Logged | 10
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Eric Kleefeld wrote:
The biggest obstacle the movie has to face is it's a restart of a franchise that went down in flames last time. People still remember how awful Batman and Robin was and might not realize this is a clean slate and that the previous films were not what Batman typically is/should be. |
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Eric, while you may well be correct in your analysis, I think the reason WB is keeping such a low profile with Batman Begins can be attributed to a far more recent horror. Two words: Halle Berry. 'Nuff Said!
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Chris Jones Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 21 June 2005 at 5:29am | IP Logged | 11
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...and Incredibles has some scenes that are really violent and the violence against the kids themselves is kind of extreme.
Eric Kleefeld wrote:
So presenting a villain who wants to kill younger people automatically makes something kid-unfriendly nowadays? So much for the Grimms' Fairy Tales. |
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Yeah if in grimms fairy tales they have adults punching kids and shooting machine guns at them.
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Eric Kleefeld Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 21 June 2005 at 5:45am | IP Logged | 12
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The witch in the story of Hansel and Gretel wanted to eat children. A
machine gun is nothing next to that.
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