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Rob Hewitt Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 June 2005 at 10:04am | IP Logged | 1
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Sorry guys-sometimes I get contrary.
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Leroy Douresseaux Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 29 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 1657
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Posted: 20 June 2005 at 11:33am | IP Logged | 2
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I think some fans see this movie's success as a referendum on their notion that many superhero comics (in particularly Batman) should be "dark serious" and that any film versions should be less Raiders/Pirates/National Treasure/Rocketeer and more Citizen Kane/Amadeus/Les Mis/Ran/Million Dollar Baby.
Of course the prophets Miller and Moore showed us the dark light/knight and Batman can only be that way. I remember one comic book pundit really believed that Watchmen would be the Lisan al-Gaib that would lead comics to literary paradise (my words) and that if The Dark Knight Returns was followed like a religious text should be during the making of Burton's Batman, comics on TV and film would be redeemed.
I really wish Paul Dini, Bruce Timm, Dwayne McDuffie (N.F.C), Alan Burnett and their cohorts could get a shot at writing a live action Batman movie that actually made it to the big screen.
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Paul Greer Byrne Robotics Security
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Posted: 20 June 2005 at 12:41pm | IP Logged | 3
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Not to get anymore OT, but I saw that the budget listed for The Longest Yard was over 80 million dollars. I saw this movie, and it wasn't a bad remake, but where the hell did the 80 million bucks go? This movie had a prison set and a football field, and one explosion. I hope this money was given to the actors, because this movie should have cost about 20-30 million bucks at most. For 80 million they could have shot this movie and the sequel and had money to spare.
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Mike Bunge Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 10 June 2004 Location: United States Posts: 1335
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Posted: 20 June 2005 at 12:53pm | IP Logged | 4
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Leroy Douresseaux wrote:
I think some fans see this movie's success as a referendum on their notion that many superhero comics (in particularly Batman) should be "dark serious" and that any film versions should be less Raiders/Pirates/National Treasure/Rocketeer and more Citizen Kane/Amadeus/Les Mis/Ran/Million Dollar Baby.
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This to me is the great question that might be answered by Batman Begins at the box office. It's very well written and well acted and hasn't generated a lot of fanboy hate, so how much it makes may show just how much of an audience there is for super-heroes done in the "adult" and "realistic" style. I'd be shocked if it totally collapsed like Hulk, but it wouldn't surprise me at all to see BB fall substantially short of the 200 million dollar mark.
Mike
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Rob Hewitt Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 June 2005 at 1:03pm | IP Logged | 5
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Paul Greer wrote:
Not to get anymore OT, but I saw that the budget listed for The Longest Yard was over 80 million dollars. I saw this movie, and it wasn't a bad remake, but where the hell did the 80 million bucks go?
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Doesn't Adam Sandler get $20 million a film? And I am sure Burt Reynolds and Chris Rock get a few million.
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Kevin Stamper Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 June 2005 at 1:58pm | IP Logged | 6
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Zaki Hasan wrote:
I wonder if it's coincidental that USATODAY was less-than-glowing in its review of BATMAN BEGINS?
Here's what's interesting about the opening. It fell right into line with the other openings in the series, which is important to note because to the world at large, this is movie number five in a 16 year old series. Any expectation that it would compete with REVENGE OF THE SITH seems ridiculous, considering even the first film in '89 didn't do that kind of business, and it was the number one movie of that year. All three sequels did between 100 and 200 million.
Not just that, but the five-day and opening weekend pattern of BATMAN BEGINS follows the EXACT same pattern as PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN, with both films taking in 71 mil for the Wed-Fri window and 47 mil for the Fri-Sun window. Additionally, they both carried budgets of 135-140 mil, and they both received glowing reviews (PIRATES: 80% on RottenTomatoes.com, BATMAN: 82%). Word of mouth eventually powered PIRATES to 300+ million, so here's hoping BATMAN continues to follow a similar pattern.
To start tossing off comments like "We wonder if the movie will recoup its budget," just seems like shoddy journalism to me on the part of USATODAY.
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Precisely my opinion on anything printed in The McPaper.
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James C. Taylor Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 June 2005 at 1:59pm | IP Logged | 7
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According to Box Office Mojo, instead of the estimated $46.9 million it
ended the weekend taking $48.7 million. That $1.8 million is
suggesting legs to me.
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Eric Kleefeld Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 June 2005 at 2:05pm | IP Logged | 8
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I was at a movie theater Sunday night and there was a line to see it. A line
on Sunday night does suggest word of mouth.
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Tim O Neill Byrne Robotics Security
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Posted: 20 June 2005 at 2:06pm | IP Logged | 9
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Paul Dergarabedian and the folks at Exhibitor Relations have
box office estimates down to as close a science as you can get.
The studios pay big bucks to have them track the film, and
weeks before it opens they can generally gauge the
performance of a film (it helps them adjust advertising budget
as the release date approaches). And they are typcially very
accurate.
But art cannot be placed into a box and every once in a while a
film breaks all expectations in startling ways. "Titanic"
resonated with a female audience in such a way that it totally
erased all expectations. "Forrest Gump" was another - it
tracked well with adults, but nobody at Paramount expected
those kind of numbers ikn all ages.
We sometimes see bad precedents set based on one film's
performance. "Cinderella Man" was released during the most
intense popcorn movie blictz of the season. It was a gamble
that didn't pay off as it was swallowed up by "Star Wars" and
"Longest Yard". As the reviews were positive, we will now see
no adult themed movie schedule for June for years to come. I
think this is a mistake - the audience is there, but "Star Wars" is
a phenomenon that cuts across generations. Adults went just
as much as kids and cut into Cinderella Man. I don't think we
can make hard and fast rules based on June 2005.
I think "Batman Begins" goes beyond the superhero/comic
book genre. It's getting its expected audience now - us and
people who saw the original films and still have some good will
to the character. A lot of us comic book types bring our civilian
friends, who tell other civilians, and so on. The likelihood that
this film will have the legs I predicted (beating Star Wars) is not
very good at all. But word of mouth cannot be tracked and
takes some time to grow, so I believe this will go the distance
and I will stick with my wild, outrageous prediction. I think it's
that good a film.
I the end, I never really get into box office discussions, because
it doesn't really matter to me. I just care about the movie. But it
does get intersting if something breaks the pattern.
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Rob Hewitt Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 June 2005 at 2:27pm | IP Logged | 10
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James word of the week is legs :)
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Peter Hicks Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 30 April 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1992
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Posted: 20 June 2005 at 2:51pm | IP Logged | 11
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Let's not forget that Warner Brothers/DC will potentially make more money from merchadise than the movie itself. The Hulk movie barely broke even after adding international box office and DVD sales - Universal has no intention of making a sequel. Marvel is firm that there will be a Hulk sequel because it sold so many action figures and video games for them.
But, Batman Begins was amazing, and I will certainly see it again in the theater. It's the first movie I recall where as soon as it ended, I wanted to see it again IMMEDIATELY.
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Zaki Hasan Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 June 2005 at 3:33pm | IP Logged | 12
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Another avenue that bodes well for the movie's future success is IMAX, according this report:
IMAX Corporation and Warner Bros. Pictures today announced that "Batman
Begins: The IMAX Experience" debuted with record breaking box office
results and outstanding moviegoer response this past weekend. The
digitally re-mastered IMAX release of Batman Begins
set the record for IMAX's biggest five day opening, with estimated
domestic grosses of $3.16 million, as well as the highest grossing
opening day for a Hollywood simultaneous release, at approximately
$754,000...
"The strong opening weekend performance of 'Batman Begins: The IMAX
Experience' is a testament to what a fantastic film this is, how
ideally suited it is for IMAX's format, and the outstanding job Warner
Bros. Pictures has done in promoting it," said IMAX Co-Chairmen and
Co-CEOs Richard L. Gelfond and Bradley J. Wechsler. "The strong word of
mouth coming out of the first weekend leads us to believe this film
will be a significant draw for the IMAX theatre network all summer.
Just as 'The Polar Express' excited audiences in IMAX® 3D, we feel
'Batman Begins' in IMAX's format will bring in incremental 2D audiences
eager to pay a premium price for The IMAX Experience®."
"We couldn't be more pleased with the results from the opening
weekend," said Dan Fellman, President of Domestic Distribution at
Warner Bros. Pictures. "'Batman Begins' showed increasing momentum in
both IMAX and 35mm theatres over the course of the five-day opening,
and when coupled with great reviews and excellent consumer exits, we
look forward to a long, successful run."
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