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David Miller
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Leroy Douresseaux wrote:
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I repeat: "Darkies"?
Leroy Douresseaux wrote:
| I wonder what message studios should get from the failure of The
Honeymooners - don't cast darkies in a remake of "Father Knows Best,"
every brand name isn't really a brand name, or how about make more
original material that actually makes use of all that imagination and
creativity that must exist in Hollywood? |
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It's not funny, man.
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Eric Kleefeld
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| Posted: 19 June 2005 at 4:24pm | IP Logged | 2
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In Leroy's defense, Hollywood can sometimes (often? always?) think in pretty
crass ways. Perhaps he was trying to communicate the sentiment in those
terms and from that standpoint.
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David Miller
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| Posted: 19 June 2005 at 4:49pm | IP Logged | 3
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Eric Kleefeld wrote:
In Leroy's defense, Hollywood can sometimes (often? always?) think in pretty
crass ways. Perhaps he was trying to communicate the sentiment in those
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Speaking as someone who often says outrageous
things for effect, and a believer that people I don't know deserve benefit of
the doubt, I agree that was probably Leroy's intent. But I wanted to call it
out because think this is one case where the wording should have been thought
through a LOT more carefully.
I think rude sarcasm can be appropriate if impolitely used to
satirize Neanderthal racial attitudes. But in this case, he used
it to describe a course of action that a personified Hollywood should pursue, namely abandoning color-blind casting. One doesn't take on the persona of a racial insensitiveist* to praise someone's actions.
"Darkie" is an offensive expression, and shouldn't be used
casually. And I think Leroy used it casually. I think it's
important to say so.
* I just made up than term and thought it was funny. I am in no way using it as a serious label.
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Mike O'Brien
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| Posted: 19 June 2005 at 4:55pm | IP Logged | 4
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Well, what you're saying is true, David, but if it helps the context of what he was saying, you know that Leroy is, in fact, black, right?
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 19 June 2005 at 5:01pm | IP Logged | 5
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I wonder what message studios should get from the
failure of The Honeymooners
*****
How about "Bad movies fail"?
Not a universal truth, but close enough.
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David Miller
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| Posted: 19 June 2005 at 5:20pm | IP Logged | 6
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Mike O'Brien wrote:
| Well, what you're saying is true, David, but if it
helps the context of what he was saying, you know that Leroy is, in
fact, black, right? |
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Whoops, didn't know that. I apologise, Leroy.
I had an image of a white guy getting carried away while trying to be
"un-PC." Or a white guys who really thinks "darkies" (Actually,
to be honest, the message board troll in me was fantasizing about a
white guy who really thinks like that and would defense his use of the term.) In
either case, I felt I should reach out, in the hope of encouraging a
more civil society. It certainly demonstrates how easy it is to
get the wrong idea across while using loaded language.
I WILL FIGHT PREJUDICE ON EVERY MESSAGE BOARD!
Edited to add "message board troll" joke.
Edited by David Miller on 19 June 2005 at 5:39pm
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Doug Jones
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| Posted: 19 June 2005 at 5:39pm | IP Logged | 7
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Tim O'Neill wrote:
| Doug Jones wouldn't even honor my prediction that
this will outgross "Star Wars" with words - he just shook his head in
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It is true that I had one hand on my beer and the other on the phone
reserving a nice comfy restraining chair in Arkham Asylum for Tim. But
the guy's just too damn nice to have committed.
I enjoyed this film more than any superhero flick I've seen since
Superman, but I don't this the general audience cares nearly as much as
Batman fans do. I agree with the guys that the film will receive much
positive word-of-mouth; I just think that, with the exception of
rarities like The Passion of the Christ, word-of-mouth
translates into: "Sounds great! I'll catch it on DVD in 60 days!"
I would love to see BB be the most successful superhero film ever; I
don't believe the film will make more than 210 mil, for whatever that's
worth. I hope I'm wrong.
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Zaki Hasan
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Doug Jones wrote:
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don't believe the film will make more than 210 mil, for whatever that's
worth. I hope I'm wrong. |
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I'll be happy with anything over 200, to be honest...
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Glenn Brown
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We were just talking about this last night...about logging on to read seemingly benign threads and getting whacked across the nose by some word or term that comes out of left field...and then, what if anything do you do about it?
To be honest and fair, if JB had made the same statement that Leroy made, it probably would have provoked a loud reaction not just on this board but across the Internet once outsiders got hold of it, context or intent be damned.
So I'm not really sure how to respond...I think I understand the point Leroy tried to make, speaking in the voice of crass & ignorant studio suits...at least let's hope that that's what it was. But should he get a pass for using such a term when Byrne or another non-black board member probably would not?
But, as I conceded to Matt Reed last evening, does each instance of an offensive or poorly-chosen term deserve or require a reaction? It is a free country, freedom of speech, etc...
I don't know. But I do know that double-standards suck and that maybe people would be well-served to think twice before using questionable language that might be considered in poor taste.
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Leroy Douresseaux
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| Posted: 19 June 2005 at 6:12pm | IP Logged | 10
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Eric Kleefeld wrote:
In Leroy's defense, Hollywood can sometimes (often? always?) think in pretty
crass ways. Perhaps he was trying to communicate the sentiment in those
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*sigh*
See? Someone who understands the angst of a postmodern jigaboo - that's all I'm asking.
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Leroy Douresseaux
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| Posted: 19 June 2005 at 6:18pm | IP Logged | 11
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Back to Batman Begins, I'm curious to see how much movie audiences embrace this film. I saw it Friday afternoon, and it was hard to gage the reaction of the eight others who saw it (I live in a small town of around 21 thousand people) at the same time. I'm even more curious to see how this flick does on DVD and home video, especially in light of that survey that showed that 73% of people prefer to watch a movie at home.
What's a good site that tracks current and past DVD sales?
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Chris Jones
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I had a friend who saw a little snippet many months ago and I asked him if he was going to see it, he said" I don't think so same old same old". Now however everybody at work is talking about how cool it is and he says he has to see it.
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