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Steven Myers
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Posted: 23 September 2026 at 3:20pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

I was told in a meeting yesterday that the students where I teach need to improve in writing, So I could I come up with some writing they could do in my K-5 elementary Art classes. Then I can use AI to give them feedback on what they need to improve.

I said I don't trust AI to give them correct information.
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Bill Collins
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Posted: 24 September 2026 at 6:37am | IP Logged | 2 post reply

A.I. can't be trusted and one of the main problems is
people believing what A.I. tells them. A few weeks ago i
read an obviously A.I. essay saying that British actress
Emma Thompson appeared in Ozzy Osbourne's Bark At The
Moon video as his wife. I informed the poster that she
didn't and that it was an actress called Sharon Duce (yes
a Sharon playing his wife) and he wouldn't believe me! I
directed him to the video and a picture of Sharon Duce
who bears no resemblance to Emma Thompson and he had to
concede. But it was obvious the poster had never watched
said video before and just took A.I. at it's word.
If you look at the effects smart phones have had on the
brains of the population in the last 15 years, can you
imagine the effect A.I. will have on their brains in a
similar time frame? Critical thinking is already fading
away.
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James Woodcock
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Posted: 24 September 2026 at 10:17am | IP Logged | 3 post reply

My son, God bless him, has already become a cynical, critical thinker -
taking after his mum and dad at an early age.
Whatever he reads he will try to find additional sources to back up what he
has read.
He takes nothing at face value and is really suspicious of the bad AI can do,
while working with its benefits.
I’m really proud that he has taken that on board.

Now if only he would read comics and love Star Wars. He’d be perfect
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Vinny Valenti
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Posted: 24 September 2026 at 12:48pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply


I'm getting very close to finally quitting Facebook. The amount of AI slop posted there is really getting out of hand. 2 weeks ago I was seeing tons of AI photos of 9/11 - artificial images of the planes hitting the towers when there are hundreds of actual images of that which would have sufficed. The one that sickened me most of all was an AI image of people standing at the edge of the upper tower windows waving with smiles on their faces like they were at a f*cking parade and not about to jump to their deaths or be roasted alive.

I report the posts, but they provide no "AI Misinformation" button - now why would that be?
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Posted: 24 September 2026 at 3:47pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply


I've been sharing this with friends & family over the past few days:




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Evan S. Kurtz
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Posted: 24 September 2026 at 10:32pm | IP Logged | 6 post reply

Yesterday I posted a comment in the "FIFA Peace Prize" thread in which I wrote this (hope the formatting to convey the quote doesn't mess everything up):

When Dark Knight came out, an element of the movie was that Lucius Fox was going to quit over the existence of Batman’s cell-phone centered mass surveillance system. By the time Brand New Day came out, literally nobody batted an eye at Spider-Man’s cell-phone centered mass surveillance system. Ironic, seeing as how in real life a frog will not actually tolerate a slowly boiling pot. 

I'm always nervous about "irony" since it's so often used incorrectly. So I decided to ask Gemini if I had used it right. Gemini said it wasn't used correctly but for reasons that confused me, which resulted in a fairly lengthy back-and-forth with Gemini because I believe it missed the original analogy. 

At one point, Gemini informed me that it wasn't a proper use of "ironic" and provided the following example as being a correct: "Irony would require people to a actively demand privacy while simultaneously installing surveillance systems themselves."

I pointed out to Gemini that this actually occurs. People have worry about a loss of privacy and of being widely surveilled, but they do buy smart phones that track their every movement and interaction, and install apps onto those phones that explicitly gather huge troves of data about them. 

Gemini the backtracked and told me that "Irony would require people to an actively demand privacy while simultaneously installing surveillance systems themselves." is not a proper example of irony.

In the final exchange, I asked Gemini if Gemini providing an incorrect example of irony meets the definition of irony, and received an affirmative - "Yes, that fits the definition of situational irony."

I'm still not 100% sure if I used "ironic" appropriately in my original comment/example, but I am leaning towards 100% certain that Gemini can't be trusted as a source on the meaning of, and examples of "ironic." 
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Bill Collins
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Posted: 25 September 2026 at 5:56am | IP Logged | 7 post reply

Evan, that's funny and scary!
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I moderate an Alfred Hitchcock page on Facebook and have discovered, to my chagrin, that Meta AI has started to add its own totally unwelcome and often times inaccurate or wrongheaded titles to some posts. In one post, I relayed a childhood story about the local smalltown library and bookstore shelves being our internet back in my day but there were very few books on film / media / Hitch so my starving self would have loved to have known about a lengthy Hitch-penned Encyclopedia Britannica article on film production that was always sitting there unbeknownst my bored self in the reference section had I but known. But AI wrecked the structure and punchline of my story by spilling up front my "reveal" I was purposely holding back until late in the story, calling it ALFRED HITCHCOCK's 1965 ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNICA ARTICLE ON "FILM PRODUCTION".

In another post I got into a Pauline Kael New Yorker article from 1976 wherein she claimed an "old Hollywood director" over drinks had said something complimentary to her about Spielberg and his confident lack of concern over the "proscenium arch" in his camera work around the time of JAWS. My post was about the fact that she never named the director in question but despite many people believing the speaker was Hitchcock (and AI generally reinforces this belief if you inquire), in fact it is incredibly unlikely that Hitch said it for various reasons I won't go into here, and further that it is even less likely that we'll ever know who she was really referring to. AI slapped on the title "THE ORIGIN OF THE PROSCENIUM ARCH QUOTE ABOUT SPIELBERG" Obviously that was NOT the purpose of my article nor did it remotely convey what my article was about; in fact that's the one thing we definitively DO NOT KNOW is the true origin of that quote. The post was more about problems of mistaking assumption and speculation as fact and how the flaws of the internet and AI perpetuate bad information and at times pure fabrication.

I protested to Meta AI but despite being an admin and the moderator and detailing how both of these titles were at best incorrect and unhelpful, there is literally no way to turn off the META AI titles on FB group posts. I found it "ironic" that I was complaining about META AI to META AI and despite its usual patronizing fawning "I completely understand what you're going through and it's right to feel angry at having your work altered and mischaracterized without your consent", the upshot was that META AI basically told me there's no way to stop it from continuing to add its own spin to my work whether I agree with it or not. Felt a little like Dave Bowman floating outside the pod bay door trying to reason with Hal and getting nowhere.
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