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Posted: 16 August 2026 at 4:51pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

I have hiked down this road before, so bear with me.

Real world scientists—those who do not overly concern themselves with religious fairy tales—often invoke the speed of light as an incontrovertible proof against the concept of a “young” Earth/Universe. The logic is simple and straightforward: young Earth creationist insist the whole sheebang is no more than 10,000 years old, while astronomers point out that the Andromeda galaxy is about 2.5 million light years away and we can see it. Which means light from Andromeda has traveled for 2.5 million years to reach us.

In scientific terms this is what is known as TRUE. Sorry young earthers.

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There’s a bit of Biblical business that gets overlooked. According to Genesis I the first thing God made was LIGHT. He filled Creation with light. Light that existed as its own self, without needing anything to generate it. The Sun, the Moon, Andromeda—they didn’t exist yet. Light simply WAS.

THEN God created them, days later.

Now, given that God can do literally ANYTHING, how tough is it to imagine that, starting with Earth at the center, he simply grabbed handfuls of the already existing light and stretched it out, like pulling taffy, so that humans, when he got around to them, would look up into the sky and be looking ALONG those strands, making them appear as points. The light from Andromeda actually filled that 2.5 million light year distance BEFORE Andromeda existed.

See, this is why we can’t argue science against religion. “God did it” trumps (don’t) everything.

Now, let’s talk about why Genesis I and Genesis II tell entirely different stories…….?

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Posted: 16 August 2026 at 5:18pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

I love how easily you "play by the rules" and get another great story. John Byrne is a fricking master. I bet you could square the circle between Gen I and Gen II without working up a sweat!

If we imagine story-tellers like John Byrne through the ages, we can see how so many plausible, but not true, stories came into human vernacular. Faced with a few facts and the need to use them to provide some kind of "God is with us!" comfort, the origins of so many religious ideas are pretty apparent.

Every cult is like a rabid fan-base for a particular story.
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Posted: 16 August 2026 at 8:01pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

Now, let’s talk about why Genesis I and Genesis II tell entirely different stories…….?

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In Genesis I, that's the original creation, before the Chixculub asteroid. in Genesis 1:26, when God creates "mankind" in his image, he's creating the dinosaurs (God looks like a T-Rex).

In Genesis 2. that's the second creation, after the Chixculub asteroid. The man he creates in Genesis 2:7 is a human, not in God's image (we don't look like dinosaurs).
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Posted: 16 August 2026 at 8:32pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

If you go to the Bible online as provided by the American Catholic Church, there are introductory notes to each book.  Even the Catholic Church, not typically the home of radical new theory, says some books, such as Genesis, are to be interpreted as symbolic rather than be taken literally.

Serious Biblical scholars readily admit that Genesis contains much Hebrew folklore, some of it copied from earlier civilizations.  The great flood for example, is mentioned in writings from Iraq long before the Torah.

JB’s assessment reminds me of seeing Carl Sagan on the Tonight Show back in the Carson era.  He too brought up the truth that the universe must be at least 13.5 billion years old because of how far away the furthest visible stars are.  Sagan added some Christians argue evidence such as that, or dinosaur bones in rock, are tricks by the Lord to test our faith.  Sagan said if there is a deceitful god, I do not wish to worship him.
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Posted: 16 August 2026 at 8:33pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

Works for me!
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