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John Byrne
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God Never Ceases to Believe in UsThat whole Flood thing was just a minor oops, I guess.
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Petter Myhr Ness
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As always, they have it the other way around. It's we who never cease to believe in God. Just as he was created in our image(s).
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Evan S. Kurtz
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My general understanding is that the Catholic Church does not interpret the first eleven chapters of Genesis as having a literal basis, for what it's worth.
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Petter Myhr Ness
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Not worth a whole lot, as long they interptret the rest of Genesis, or the OT in general, of having a literal basis.
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 13 July 2026 at 1:16pm | IP Logged | 5
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My general understanding is that the Catholic Church does not interpret the first eleven chapters of Genesis as having a literal basis, for what it's worth.••• Where in the Bible does it say we can do that? “Wait a few thousand years and you can skip this part…”
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Michael Roberts
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| Posted: 13 July 2026 at 1:34pm | IP Logged | 6
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The Catholic Church has always understood that the Bible was curated (by the Church!) and considered some parts allegorical and some parts historical. And you can certainly criticize the church for being arbitrary about which parts are which. But you can’t criticize the Catholic Church for not looking at the Bible as the sole source of authority, because that was never the case. It was one facet that also included tradition and Church authority. The latter two being what Martin Luther had a bee in his bonnet about.
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John Byrne
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All those people burned at the stake over allegory…….
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Evan S. Kurtz
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Not that I want to stand up for the Catholic Church -- or any other, for that matter -- but they also accept the theory of evolution as having a factual basis. The general idea of the Bible being "chapter and verse" the literal word of God stems predominantly from a 19th century fundamentalist protestant movement, whereas before that point Biblical interpretation fell under the Quadriga (i.e., "the fourfold sense," literal, allegorical, moral, and anagogical).
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Michael Penn
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God: "I believe in people! I believe that person should be crippled in a car crash. I believe that lady should be raped and the guy never caught. I believe that little boy should get brain cancer..."
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John Byrne
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…but he loves you!I was thinking about the trifecta of evil in the world, which happens because God makes it happen, or he lets it happen, or he is unable to prevent it from happening. None of those make for a God worthy of our worship.
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Michael Penn
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"…but he loves you!"
That's the first part of one my favorite George Carlin punchlines.
"...and he needs money!"
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