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Posted: 19 December 2025 at 5:04pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

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God’s Peace as defined by what?

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Trevor Smith
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Posted: 20 December 2025 at 12:04pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

Like the Romans creating a desert and calling it peace, I'm
pretty sure god's peace means nobody left that believes in
anything other than him.
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Jim Lynch
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Posted: 21 December 2025 at 6:12pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

I grew up Catholic and used to love the Christmas songs. I gave it up long ago, but last Christmas I heard a song playing on the radio that mentioned Jesus bringing peace and whatever. I had to ask aloud, “Really? Don’t you think you ought to get around to it at some point?”
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ron bailey
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Posted: 23 December 2025 at 6:19pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

Whenever I argue that, I'm always told, "Imagine how much war there WOULD be!"
That said, it's just low hanging fruit to keep poking holes in the logic of organized religion's tenets.

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Evan S. Kurtz
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Posted: 23 December 2025 at 7:18pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

I sincerely don’t believe that religion is the root cause of war. I think the root cause of war is a combination of several factors, including:
  • Our evolutionary compulsion to group together for safety
  • Our inherent fear and mistrust of anything that appears or behaves in any way differently from what we consider to be the “norm”
  • The tendency of sociopaths to obtain power within our social structures through manipulation 
We can rightly attribute blame to organized religions because they have been the most successful at exploiting the way our brains work as a collective, but I think the problem is how our brains work as a collective. 

To me, believing that the absence of religion would resolve our problems feels too much like a different kind of magical thinking. It reminds me of a documentary I watched in the not too distant past about a group of white supremacists who figured out that they can exploit a legal loophole to build their own whites-only communes. One of the women living there speculated on the documentary that it would be “interesting” for there to be entire cities of only caucasians, presumably because she believes it would be crime free and safe, or whatever. Except I grew up in a town that had no visible minorities, and I remember how people derided the “wellies,” and the stoners, and the gays, and, and, and - we always find reasons to “other” people, and those reasons are only religion when it’s convenient.


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Trevor Smith
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Posted: 23 December 2025 at 8:18pm | IP Logged | 6 post reply

Well no, it's not "the", as in one and only, sole. It is,
however, a giant, high up the chain "a".
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Posted: 23 December 2025 at 9:09pm | IP Logged | 7 post reply

Some wars ARE started by religions, quite clearly. I'd say the main cause is good old land grab compulsion. Some is hatred of the other. A variant on the hatred of the other is the Holy War. You cannot possibly look at the Crusades and say they weren't caused by religion.
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