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Posted: 02 July 2025 at 11:49am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

As gratifying as it is to be reminded of the pleasure so many of you derived from comics—including my own—produced under Shooter’s tenure as EiC, I feel I would be remiss if I did not reiterate, at least in part, what I and others have said in this Forum for decades.

The work you remember so fondly was in many cases produced in spite of Shooter, not because of him. Use the Forum’s SEARCH function to look up “Shooter” and see for yourselves.

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James Woodcock
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Posted: 02 July 2025 at 1:21pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

And that’s why I have mixed feelings.
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Alan David DeCamp
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Posted: 02 July 2025 at 2:57pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

It broke my heart when I heard about this. He was always cordial and respectful to me whenever I spoke with him at the shows.
My condolences to his family.

"The work you remember so fondly was in many cases produced in spite of Shooter, not because of him. Use the Forum’s SEARCH function to look up “Shooter” and see for yourselves."

Could it also be that his style forced a lot of creators to produce some of their best work in spite of him? I plan to look back at the posts you are referring to because I have only ever heard it via "fan talk" and will be glad to get it from a credible source.
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Posted: 02 July 2025 at 3:24pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

He was Editor in Chief when I started really getting into Marvel in the mid 80s and that time was great. JB on FF and AF; DeFalco and Frenz on Spider-Man; Stern and Buscema on Avengers; Claremont and Romita Jr on X-Men; Walt on Thor; Miller and Mazzuchelli on Daredevil; O'Neill and Bright on Iron Man.

Secret Wars was the start of that and I loved it at the time.

(The less said about the crossovers that plagued books shortly after the better...)

Sad to hear that Shooter has gone.
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Posted: 02 July 2025 at 4:40pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

From the obit in FORBES:

“Thanks to the breakout success of the X-Men by writer Chris Claremont and artist John Byrne, the signature title of Shooter’s reign, Marvel began a rise that saw the company bring in exciting young creators like Frank Miller, Walter Simonson and Bill Sienkiewicz…”

For “breakout success” read “in constant danger of cancellation.”

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Posted: 03 July 2025 at 12:17am | IP Logged | 6 post reply

Jim Shooter was at at TerrifiCon a few years back and he signed my Dark Dominion front plate. I was able to get the front plate and the book to assemble the cards by an unusual coincidence; the distributor for Defiant's material was in West Haven CT, right near a client or our firm.

My first read of Jim's material was the Fatal Five way back in Adventure Comics back in 1968. Even at a pretty young age, I knew there was something - different - about the Legion of Super Heroes stories.


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Stéphane Garrelie
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Posted: 03 July 2025 at 9:55am | IP Logged | 7 post reply

I liked a lot Jim Shooter both as a writer and as EIC, and if as a writer i saw him capable of the best (the first Secret Wars series, Daredevil,  many of his Avengers stories, Solar, Harbinger, etc.) and the worst (Secret Wars II) i understand that was also true as EIC.

He isn't the only reason why the comics of the late 70s and 80s, particularly at Marvel, had a litterary dimension, some of it came as natural developpement from the work of Stan Lee, Jack Kirby, Steve Ditko, Roy Thomas and others, some from the approach of Denny O'Neil and Steve Gerber... that was here before Shooter. But Jim Shooter favored and amplified the phenomena, made it an ambition, an objective. He had the chance that Marvel got the writers and artists with the talent to fullfill it. Some were already there, he gave their first chance to others. Together they built the Marvel of the 80s we loved, second in creativity to the 60s, taking the best of the maturity that was sometime there in the late 60s and 70s, generalising, expanding it while keeping the books fresh and all-age: it was aimed at young teen, fun for kids and had qualities that could interest adults.    

John Romita, the elder one, said that Shooter was great at first, for maybe three years ; but after the huge success of Secret Wars, thought he knew everything. That was probably more than three years, yet it seems to be a pertinent  remark (at least to me who wasn't there, otherwise than as a reader of the books.)

JB says what he  always said on this board, and share  his personnal experience as a creator and a direct witness ; his sincerity is compatible with the respect due to Jim, both as a man, an artist, a pro and a defunct. 

I had a few exchanges with Jim on his blog during the months, about a year overall, when he wrote it in the mid-2010s, he always was very nice to me and other fans. 



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Posted: 03 July 2025 at 6:45pm | IP Logged | 8 post reply

Sorry to hear about this.
It really saddens me whenever someone from my era of reading passes. Another voice, perspective, anecdote telling personality we no longer can hear from.

He wrote my favorite- Legion, What If? stories, and Avengers run. 
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Posted: 03 July 2025 at 7:19pm | IP Logged | 9 post reply

Posting a snippet from Kurt Busiek, where he mentions his involvement in the return of Jean Grey:

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RIP Jim Shooter. A complicated legacy, but one filled with a tall, tall stack of good stories.
I only had one significant encounter with Jim Shooter, aside from seeing him in the office a lot. While the X-FACTOR launch crossover was in the works, he called me into his office (I was working as the assistant editor on MARVEL AGE at the time) and told me he'd heard they were using the idea I'd come up with as a fan to resurrect Jean Grey. He said he didn't believe in comics pros not getting paid for their work, so he arranged for me to be credited in the issue of FANTASTIC FOUR that included my explanation (or a version thereof), and paid me for two issues of plot at John Byrne's page rate. This was very, very welcome, since being assistant editor on MARVEL AGE did not pay well enough to live on in the NYC area.

He went on to mention WHAT IF#3 as one of his favorite Shooter stories, which JB had also spoken fondly of over the years.


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Posted: 03 July 2025 at 8:08pm | IP Logged | 10 post reply

Where was that from, Vinny?
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Posted: 03 July 2025 at 8:32pm | IP Logged | 11 post reply

Facebook post. I don't follow Busiek, but I've been getting Shooter-related posts on my feed.

Another.....



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Posted: 03 July 2025 at 8:45pm | IP Logged | 12 post reply

I’m just going to say, on his own site a while back, Shooter mentioned being pretty much forced to write Secret Wars because nobody else wanted to. Like nobody wanted to write a book that would be a guaranteed best-seller.

I remain skeptical, to say the least.
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