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Rick Whiting
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Posted: 29 March 2025 at 4:46pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

I'm curious to hear the boards thoughts on this video. Did the person who made this video get the facts right and come to the right conclusion? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjTRRAS4K6M&ab_channel=Stran geBrainParts
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Posted: 29 March 2025 at 5:03pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

Is this going to make the vein in my temple throb?
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Dave Phelps
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Posted: 29 March 2025 at 5:54pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

I'll admit I didn't care for the reference to the "infamous Marvel method" early on but I think there was an attempt to be fair.  It came across as his primary sources were a couple of Comics Journal articles with an attempt to apply some logic.

His conclusion was basically "clearly both contributed, but there's not enough documentation to say who specifically contributed what," which seems reasonable enough.
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Koroush Ghazi
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Posted: 29 March 2025 at 11:14pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

I can understand that this topic may be of tremendous importance for legal, financial, and ultimately, historical reasons. But as a fan of the FF, I feel comfortable with the notion that both Stan Lee and Jack Kirby did the bulk of the work in terms of bringing these characters to life every month.

It’s an indisputable fact that both Lee and Kirby were powerhouses of creative talent. And it’s also an indisputable fact that the delineation of “creative” work on the title is always going to be partially subjective given the Marvel Method…

So I’m not sure how or why this type of deconstructionism is of any benefit to comic book fans, esp. when re: The Fantastic Four. Lawyers and accountants? Sure. But for the average reader I see no benefit, only opportunities to diminish one of these great men.

I have to add this: if you’re truly interested in getting some justice for creators who have been marginalised or blatantly overlooked, I suggest that you investigate one Bjorn Heyn - arguably the most talented inker to come out of Sweden. His work on Fantastic Four #232 is superlative, yet for a variety of reasons he never worked again in the industry, and died destitute and forgotten.
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Posted: 29 March 2025 at 11:49pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

I’m not going to get into who did what in this instance.
What I will say, is that the times the scripted was credited as writer, and
there was no definition of who did what to craft the plot, certainly muddied
waters.
Crediting both ‘writer’ and artist as Co-plotters seemed to have been the
fairest thing, unless the artist totally crafted the plot, and in those
instances, they should have been credited.
The credit of ‘writer’ does place the belief that this person came up with
both plot and script.
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Richard Stevens
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Posted: 30 March 2025 at 12:21am | IP Logged | 6 post reply

JUSTICE FOR BJORN HEYN 
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I think we've seen what Stan and Jackdid with and without each other and they both did their best work with each other (In my opinion). However, there are other successes like Spider-Man (Lee Ditko) and Captain America (Simon/Kirby) so their success weren't solely dependent on each other.

And since there's no definitive proof that one or the other was responsible for the creation of the Fantastic Four (and other successful characters) why can't people just leave it as that.

Successful collaboration.

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