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Scott Wagahoff
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| Posted: 06 January 2025 at 11:28am | IP Logged | 1
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As we loom closer to a second term, and despite the
exhaustive laundry list of shit attached to that person, I
will NEVER ever understand how the January 6th insurrection
is not the one thing that was universally disqualifying.
Regardless of party, regardless of whether you believe he
has been fairly treated on every other measure, how does
anyone excuse this? I'm sure this has been
talked to death, and sorry for dreading it up if it has,
but I just can't wrap my head around his election being
certified on the 4 year anniversary of his attempted coup.
It depresses me so much.
(Updated for title)
Edited by Tim O Neill on 06 January 2025 at 4:18pm
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ron bailey
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| Posted: 06 January 2025 at 1:11pm | IP Logged | 2
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Because of the two major political parties we have, one recognizes where the American electorate is and directly addresses it to for their exploitation, and the other regularly demonstrates an inability to acknowledge where the American electorate is and becomes labeled as out of touch.In other words, one has an awful message executed effectively, and the other has a much better message carried out poorly. Either way, terrible recipe for the American people being well served.
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 06 January 2025 at 5:42pm | IP Logged | 3
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This is, sadly, the legasy of Obama. A Black man in the Oval Office filled a lot of Americans with fear. Voting for the orange blight was their only way of striking back.
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Steven Myers
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| Posted: 06 January 2025 at 6:03pm | IP Logged | 4
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I want to believe we aren't the racist country we seem to be, but it really does seem more and more that the fear of "white replacement" is the major force for the "right" in our country.
And to clarify, it isn't necessarily just race. White straight christian men (maybe even more descriptors?) have had power for a long time in this country. They know things are changing. They are very afraid.
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ron bailey
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| Posted: 06 January 2025 at 6:33pm | IP Logged | 5
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We should also be mindful that these elections tend to follow a pattern based on a perceived failure of the current incumbency to handle a crisis that hurts the electorate. It happened to Carter->Reagan with inflation and the hostage crisis, it happened to W. Bush->Obama with the financial crisis, it happened to Trump->Biden with the pandemic, and it now it happened to Biden->Trump with inflation again. Also, every current western democracy has had its ruling body ousted in some fashion because of the inflation that was endured worldwide (Trudeau from Canada being the latest casualty as of today), so take that into account along with 8 million less people voting this time around and the shortened campaign timeline for the Democrats, and you have a much more understandable result of predictably coming up short.
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Peter Hicks
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| Posted: 06 January 2025 at 6:48pm | IP Logged | 6
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The Republican Senators had an easy path after Jan 6 to convict Trump after impeachment and banish him to the wilderness. Why an experienced strategist like Mitch McConnell didn’t whip the vote to do so is beyond me.
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Michael Penn
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| Posted: 06 January 2025 at 7:05pm | IP Logged | 7
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Mitch McConnell gave the entire Republican Party time and cover. By calling out Trump as "practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of" January 6 while refusing to find him legally responsible by declaring that "[w]e have no power to convict and disqualify a former office holder who is now a private citizen," he opened a space for every Republican seeking to hold or gain office to wait and see whether the mass of Republican voters would embrace or reject Trump. Brilliant... and despicable.
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Mark Haslett
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| Posted: 06 January 2025 at 8:37pm | IP Logged | 8
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The fact that no loud, popular voice has risen to give us the single popular narrative of this day is frustrating.
In past eras, one can imagine Frank Capra, Edward Murrow or Walter Cronkite laying out the meaning of this day in a way that the majority of us could endorse. The January 6 committee was a terrific start, but it was not followed up by a strong single statement that the majority of us could understand, endorse and repeat. A conspiracy that is immeasurably less complex and deniable than Nixon's Watergate remains opaque to most of America-- Most people still wonder: did Trump "order" it or did it happen "naturally"?
Today's popular understanding is so fragmented. It's hard to know what anyone you meet might or might not understand about this horrible day.
Edited by Mark Haslett on 06 January 2025 at 8:39pm
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Vinny Valenti
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| Posted: 06 January 2025 at 8:43pm | IP Logged | 9
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"This is, sadly, the legasy of Obama. A Black man in the Oval Office filled a lot of Americans with fear. Voting for the orange blight was their only way of striking back."
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Possibly an unpopular opinion, but I would have gladly sacrificed Obama's second term to Mitt Romney. Romney '12 would have made Trump '16 highly unlikely, and probably Trump '20 as well.
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 06 January 2025 at 8:52pm | IP Logged | 10
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A president who wears magic underwear……
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Vinny Valenti
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| Posted: 06 January 2025 at 9:27pm | IP Logged | 11
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I didn't say that I would have loved HIM as President, either! I'm thinking purely in hindsight.
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ron bailey
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| Posted: 06 January 2025 at 9:33pm | IP Logged | 12
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I think Obama and Romney, politics notwithstanding, would have loved to worked together. They both seem like politicians who stomach the BS just so hey can actually get things done.
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