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Mark Haslett
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| Posted: 05 January 2025 at 8:49pm | IP Logged | 1
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I came across this Obama era JBF thread about climate change.
The question then seems open, whether or not it’s a real concern, whether
it’s man made, or if there’s anything to do about it.
It seems dated, yet it also seems the same “sides” of the debate remain.
How do you feel today? Is Climate Change a real, man-made problem that
we can solve?
Edit to add link to thread:
Old thread
Edited by Mark Haslett on 05 January 2025 at 8:50pm
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Rich Marzullo
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| Posted: 05 January 2025 at 11:05pm | IP Logged | 2
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Is climate change real? Yes.Is it man made? Yes.
Can we solve it? I think scientists already have solutions, but we seem unwilling to implement them.
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Darren Ashmore
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| Posted: 06 January 2025 at 9:33am | IP Logged | 3
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Sadly, when the so-called leaders in countries
across the world treat the idea of climate change
like some kind of conspiracy theory and place the
interests of big corporations and short term
financial priorities over what is best for the
planet, nothing will change. This anti-science
societal shift which has grown in the last 20 years
or so is both astounding and frightening.
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Jason K Fulton
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| Posted: 06 January 2025 at 1:41pm | IP Logged | 4
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Makes me think of that panel from 2112 - was it an ozone generator that was in the Antarctic? I need to pull 2112 out for a reread at some point.
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Brian Hughes
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| Posted: 06 January 2025 at 2:38pm | IP Logged | 5
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It makes you wonder if one of our leading scientists has made a spaceship to transport his child to another planet under a different color sun. What color would give earth people super powers? Hmmm.
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 06 January 2025 at 3:16pm | IP Logged | 6
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Puce.
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Peter Hicks
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| Posted: 06 January 2025 at 6:52pm | IP Logged | 7
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The easy answer has become “Well, China, and now the US under Trump, won’t take action on climate change so it doesn’t matter what the rest of do.”
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 06 January 2025 at 8:05pm | IP Logged | 8
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I read years ago, in a reputable source, that if every nation cleaned up their act RIGHT NOW, the Earth would continue to warm for 200 years.
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Mark Haslett
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| Posted: 06 January 2025 at 8:27pm | IP Logged | 9
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In that old thread there are voices that say: "The last thing I'm worried about is global warming. There is 'climate shift', but it's totally natural and we just have to adapt."
I hear that less often now, but our action (or inaction) remains at about the same level 12 years later.
Edited by Mark Haslett on 06 January 2025 at 8:28pm
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 06 January 2025 at 8:54pm | IP Logged | 10
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It took me a while to accept human activity as the cause of climate change. The Earth had gone through so much before we showed up. But now….
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John Wickett
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| Posted: 06 January 2025 at 11:19pm | IP Logged | 11
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"I hear that less often now, but our action (or inaction) remains at about the same level 12 years later."
Impactful change will require us to endure economic pain, and its tough to get voters to support that over time.
I think at this point a large majority would agree that human activity is hastening climate change. But there is the argument cited by Peter above (the biggest bad actors are doing enough to more than offset any efforts made by us to curtail carbon emissions) And those efforts are expensive. And the effectiveness/feasibility of some proposed solutions is questionable. Those are bigger obstacles to action than the idea that climate change is fake or not impacted by us.
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James Woodcock
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| Posted: 07 January 2025 at 6:55am | IP Logged | 12
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Whether climate change is natural, man made, or a bit of both (I personally
think it’s a bit of both, although the lion’s share is due to our actions), it is
difficult to deny the climate is changing.
Any heat map of temperatures will show the hottest years are pretty much
all since the millennium.
I studied environmental science during uni, from 87 to 90, & the forecasts I
was studying then are what we are seeing now. I would say sea level
changes are the only thing we have got a bit wrong.
But, in many ways, it’s not just about climate change (although we will see
its effects more in the coming years). I’ve worked in a lot of different cities
over the years. I’ve been in some where there was a one week pattern that
started with rain, then clear skies which gradually became less clear.
Visibility would reduce, breathing would get harder, bogies would become
more black. Then it would rain & the air would clear.
On train journeys between cities I have seen the atmosphere coloured
yellow around major cities & industrial zones.
Whether someone believes jn climate change or not, no one can think such
air quality is not causing harm to the people who love there.
A few years ago, there was a series of flights from Beijing to Birmingham,
UK. On being interviewed as they stepped off the plane, many of the
passengers’ first comments were about the sky being blue.
We never stopped polluting, we just exported it to other countries. Out of
sight, out of mind.
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