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John Byrne
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LINKDecades after the fact by someone who wasn’t there at the time.
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ron bailey
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| Posted: 28 December 2024 at 4:46pm | IP Logged | 2
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Well, unfortunately, that's the very definition of history.That said, there appears to be the attempt to be fair, but I found the articles he links to far more interesting.
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Brian Miller
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The article really has nothing to do with his title. He’s not presenting any
kind of information on people that did or didn’t like Shooter or why they did
or didn’t like him. All he says is basically “some people liked him, some
didn’t.” He doesn’t even attempt to persuade readers to believe his title. He
pulled some quotes from Shooter’s blog and says his childhood made him
what he is. Well, fucking duh. Everyone’s childhood makes us who we are. If
he wants to write a true article that corresponded to the title, interview
people who were there. Get facts, or the closest we can get at this point,
and form an argument supporting your statement. Very poorly written
article.
That said, I’d love a well researched, comprehensive history of that time at
Marvel. It’s when I first started my journey into comics and is my favorite
“era” of Marvel.
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 28 December 2024 at 5:43pm | IP Logged | 4
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You can get that here. Just ask the right questions!
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ron bailey
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Agreed, priceless gems have been provided here ... my second favorite feature of the site, which would make a great post if it hasn't already been done: what are everyone's favorite features of Byrne Robotics?
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James Woodcock
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First graphic novel was GOD LOVES, MAN KILLS eh?
Well I guess the first number is now 5.
Schools are going to have fun with that one.
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Brian Miller
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I noticed that too. Lazy research.
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Kevin Brown
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| Posted: 29 December 2024 at 3:24pm | IP Logged | 8
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Well I guess the first number is now 5.
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Probably closer to 10 or 15. Versions of graphic novels had been around for nearly a century before "God Loves, Man Kills", possibly longer. Hell, if you want to get super duper technical about it in terms of an original story told in a magazine sized format, then " His Name Is... Savage!" came along 14 years earlier.
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John Byrne
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It’s more about when the term was first used, not the format. In the Eighties DC and Marvel got into a shoving match over who owned the term “graphic novel” to describe a square bound, gloss paper volume. DC tried out “bookshelf edition” in response.
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Michael Penn
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QUOTE:
| He [Jim Shooter] conceptualized the New Universe, in part because he felt Marvel characters should change and grow, perhaps even being replaced line-wide. |
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...and these are good things?
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John Byrne
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One of the first points upon which I strongly disagreed with Shooter was his announcement that “Anybody can be Iron Man, anybody can be Captain America.”He was there reducing the characters to just the suits. The people IN the suits, their personalities, their backstories, didn’t matter.
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ron bailey
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I suspect he was speaking from a branding perspective to please the suits. That said, it was incredibly short-sighted if not out right stupid, and I am surprised it didn't cause a revolt amongst the editorial and creative contingent.
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