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        | Steven Myers Byrne Robotics Member
 
  
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          Third party voters are never going to vote for the top party candidates. It's the Independent/Undecided that you have to win over by having a candidate they can get behind. Or having an opponent who's trash...
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        | Daniel Gillotte Byrne Robotics Member
 
  
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          Let's not trot out the lies against Nader in 2004. It's bull. over 300,000  Dems voted for W over Gore in Florida in 2004. Weak sauce, dems but I get why they have always wanted to saddle that loss on Nader voters despite the lie of it.
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        | ron bailey Byrne Robotics Member
 
  
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          Yeah, you could do this all day, Perot spoiled it for Bush I, etc ...
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        | Brian Miller Byrne Robotics Member
 
  
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          I’m now getting multiple emails daily from first, Biden and then Kamala and
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 |  today, Bill Clinton sent me one. If any of them actually used my name
 instead of calling me Bill repeatedly I might actually donate.
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        | Andrew Bitner Byrne Robotics Member
 
  
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          My wife is pessimistic about the odds of white women voting for a biracial woman--they didn't vote for Hillary, why would they vote for Kamala?--but I think the context now is very different.
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 |  Abortion has been overthrown, civil rights are in danger, and nobody knew how Trump thought or fought in 2016.  He's weak, he's vulnerable, he can be beaten.  I think Kamala will kick his ass. And the losers, punks, and trolls who dismiss her as a lightweight really ought to put up some facts-- maybe post their resume alongside hers, you know? Let's see who's judging this woman. I'm pretty damn certain I won't get anyone taking this challenge. | 
       
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        | Mark Haslett Byrne Robotics Member
 
  
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          Daniel : Let's not trot out the lies against Nader in 2004. It's bull. over
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 |  300,000  Dems voted for W over Gore in Florida in 2004. Weak sauce, dems
 but I get why they have always wanted to saddle that loss on Nader voters
 despite the lie of it.
 
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 The election was in 2000
 The Bush voters elected their candidate.
 The Nader voters “protested” and made sure Bush won.
 
 Anyone blaming the Nader voters is pointing out how their pointless
 “protest” could have been used to prevent the disastrous W. Presidency.
 
 Where’s the “lie”?
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        | Steven Myers Byrne Robotics Member
 
  
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 |  Have a better candidate and they don't vote for Nader. I remember disliking both the top candidates in 2000. I nearly voted 3rd party. If voters aren't voting for your party/candidate the party needs to figure out why and adapt. I haven't seen either side adapt much lately. I have noticed more and more voters consider themselves Independent. 
 Learn from your mistakes.
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        | Mark Haslett Byrne Robotics Member
 
  
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          The vast majority voted for the major candidates.
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 A thin sliver decided to “protest” and help the face-eating-leopard party
 because “both parties need better candidates”.
 
 Lesson to learn? “The protest voters are right!”
 Or “protest voting is stupid and counterproductive!”
 
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        | Brian Floyd Byrne Robotics Member
 
  
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          If Harris wins, Trump's last tantrum at losing will look like a mild scoff in comparison to how he'll react this time.
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        | Jason Czeskleba Byrne Robotics Member
 
  
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       | Have a better candidate and they don't vote for Nader. I remember disliking both the top candidates in 2000. I nearly voted 3rd party. |  |  | I do not understand this mentality.  What's the point of voting for someone who has no chance of winning?  You might just as well not vote at all.  Your vote accomplishes nothing.  If you're fixated on the notion that a candidate has to perfectly fit your own views, then you might as well just write in your own name. 
 The point of voting is to make laws/policies happen which you favor.  Even if you dislike both major-party candidates, there is certainly one whose policies are closer to what you would like than the other.  Why not vote for that person and perhaps help make some difference in what happens?  I can sort of understand people who don't vote at all, either due to apathy or hopelessness.  But going to the trouble of voting and then throwing away your vote? That makes no sense.  
 
  
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        | Jason Czeskleba Byrne Robotics Member
 
  
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       | Yeah, you could do this all day, Perot spoiled it for Bush I |  |  | That one most likely is inaccurate.  People forget that Perot dropped out of the race in July 1992.  During the time Perot was not running, Clinton was consistently polling well ahead of Bush, with Clinton's percent in the low 50s and Bush's in the high 30s.  When Perot re-entered the campaign in September, Clinton dropped in the polls but Bush stayed where he'd been, in the high 30s.  So if anything, Perot seems to have hurt Clinton more than Bush.  
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        | John Byrne 
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          I voted for Perot. Didn’t think he stood a chance. He was the closest thing on the ballot to NONE OF THE ABOVE.
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